| Windows 7: Hard Drive Upgrade |
12 Dec 2009
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Hard Drive Upgrade Hi, I asked awhile ago about how to move to a new hard drive and now I'm having trouble deciding on what to move to. Or if it's even worth moving at all.
Current hard drive: Western Digital Caviar 300GB
This is my boot drive. It's rated as 5.9 on the WEI but I have no idea how useful this measurement is, I had a search on this forum and someone got a score of 5.9 with a 300GB VelociRaptor (here: Best Windows Experience Index - Hard Drive?).
With a drive like that would I actually get any performance increase? It seems as though you should do, but WEI suggests otherwise?
I've searched online but much of the information about HDD's seems contradictory.
E.g.
"Make no mistake, a 10,000 RPM drive will have an enormous impact on boot time and application load times." Speed up your PC - Fit a 10,000 RPM system drive | Hardware 2.0 | ZDNet.com
"This means that PC enthusiasts are paying twice the money for a slower hard drive with a quarter of the storage capacity!" (on high RPM drives) How higher RPM hard drives rip you off | George Ou | ZDNet.com
"With a price of £220, this disk is over nine times more expensive per gigabyte than our best buy, and not really any faster." (Regarding VelociRaptor vs Samsung Spinpoint F1 DT 1TB) http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/labs/249812/western-digital-velociraptor-300gb.html
And loads of places saying that the VelociRaptor is good but expensive.
My motherboard is an Asus P5QL-E, though I have no idea if this is a limiting factor for data transfer to HDD's or not.
Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. | My System Specs |
| Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Self build OS W7 64 bit CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 S775 @ 3.58GHz Motherboard Asus P5Q Pro Memory Crucial 4GB (2x2GB) 800MHz DDR2 PC2-6400 Graphics Card Sapphire Technology ATI Radeon HD 4850 625Mhz 512MB Sound Card None Monitor(s) Displays BenQ 21.5" E2200HD + 15" monitor Screen Resolution 1920x1080 + 1024x768 Keyboard Das Keyboard Ultimate Mouse Razer Abyssus PSU Be Quiet! Dark Pro 600W Case Antec 300 Cooling Titan Fenrir. 2x Gentle Typhoon 12cm. 2x Antec case fans. Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Other Info Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro |
12 Dec 2009
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#2 | | Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1 Danbury, CT |
If you're obsessed with the WEI, consider an SSD. They're more expensive, but they make better numbers.
I forget what I got with a WD Velociraptor 300, but a single Crucial M225 gives 7.3. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number homegrown OS Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1 CPU Intel Core I7-3930k Motherboard Asus P9X79 Pro Memory 16 GB Gskill DDR3-2133 Graphics Card eVGA GTX680 Sound Card Creative X-Fi Titanium Monitor(s) Displays As PA246Q Screen Resolution 1920 X 1200 Keyboard cheap Logitech USB Mouse Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer (old optical) USB PSU PCP&C Silencer 750 Crossfire Case Silverstone FT02 Cooling Noctua NH-D14 Hard Drives Corsair Force GT, 120 GB
WDC 1.5TB Caviar Black Internet Speed 6Mb cable Other Info Pioneer BDR-205
Samsung SH-203B
Monsoon 5.1 speakers |
12 Dec 2009
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 | Windows XP Pro x86 | Windows Vista Ultimate x86 Massachusetts |
I'll admit that I'm not too knowledgeable on hardware but I'll contribute in the way that I can. You shouldn't really worry about the WEI score for hard drives, most hard drives will get 5.9, no matter how hard you try. If you want a score over 5.9, then you're looking at solid state disks which are pretty expensive right now. Quote: My motherboard is an Asus P5QL-E, though I have no idea if this is a limiting factor for data transfer to HDD's or not. Your motherboard looks fine, it has 6 SATA slots, though I'm not too sure what you're asking.
Hope I helped in some way,
Nikolay | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Started out as an AST180 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 | Windows XP Pro x86 | Windows Vista Ultimate x86 CPU AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5200 2.7 GHz Motherboard Acer EM61SM/EM61PM Memory 3G RAM Graphics Card ATI HD Radeon 4670 Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Microsoft Media Pro 3000 Mouse Logitech MX310 PSU Corsair 450VX 450W Hard Drives Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache, 160 GB Seagate |
12 Dec 2009
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I'm not looking to improve the WEI score in particular, I'm just after a new HDD, preferably a fast one. I mentioned WEI because I find it odd that someone with the VelociRaptor has the same score as me, and I was wondering if this is because the WEI is not a very good representation, or because there isn't actually much difference between different HDD's?
Like when you say: 
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikolay most hard drives will get 5.9, no matter how hard you try. If you want a score over 5.9, then you're looking at solid state disks which are pretty expensive right now. Does that mean WEI is useless for distinguishing HDDs, or does it mean that there truly isn't much difference between them? If the latter is true, then the "high speed" HDDs such as the VelociRaptor are pretty much useless considering the price hike per GB? 
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikolay Your motherboard looks fine, it has 6 SATA slots, though I'm not too sure what you're asking. I figured that the speed of data transfer to and from a HDD would be limited by the specs of the drive, but also by a transfer speed on the motherboard's SATA ports. I may be speaking complete rubbish though.
I'm not sure I want to pay out for a solid state drive, but I might have a look. I was hoping to find out how much difference there actually is between the different HDDs first.
Thanks for the responses guys. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Self build OS W7 64 bit CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 S775 @ 3.58GHz Motherboard Asus P5Q Pro Memory Crucial 4GB (2x2GB) 800MHz DDR2 PC2-6400 Graphics Card Sapphire Technology ATI Radeon HD 4850 625Mhz 512MB Sound Card None Monitor(s) Displays BenQ 21.5" E2200HD + 15" monitor Screen Resolution 1920x1080 + 1024x768 Keyboard Das Keyboard Ultimate Mouse Razer Abyssus PSU Be Quiet! Dark Pro 600W Case Antec 300 Cooling Titan Fenrir. 2x Gentle Typhoon 12cm. 2x Antec case fans. Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Other Info Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro |
12 Dec 2009
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The WEI score is calculated in such a way that it limits most mechanical spinning hard drives to 5.9. So, while there are speed improvements in real life with the 10K Velociraptors..you aren't going to see it with the WEI score.
Since your 300GB drive really isn't a performance oriented model, you should see a pretty signficant improvement by upgrading to a 300GB Velociraptor. And if you went with SSD, it would be yet another significant improvement.
Remember before SSD's hit the market...the Velociraptors and the regular raptors were King of the Hill and what every performance oriented person used. So, just because they aren't the fastest overall drives anymore...at one point they were fantastic...so I don't think you would be disappointed with the performance upgrade over what you have now. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS Internet Speed 15/2 cable modem Other Info Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset. |
12 Dec 2009
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That's great, thanks. Exactly what I was after.
I'll avoid SSD's for now due to cost. Just need to decide between a VelociRaptor and something a bit slower but with more space and better price like the Spinpoint F1. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Self build OS W7 64 bit CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 S775 @ 3.58GHz Motherboard Asus P5Q Pro Memory Crucial 4GB (2x2GB) 800MHz DDR2 PC2-6400 Graphics Card Sapphire Technology ATI Radeon HD 4850 625Mhz 512MB Sound Card None Monitor(s) Displays BenQ 21.5" E2200HD + 15" monitor Screen Resolution 1920x1080 + 1024x768 Keyboard Das Keyboard Ultimate Mouse Razer Abyssus PSU Be Quiet! Dark Pro 600W Case Antec 300 Cooling Titan Fenrir. 2x Gentle Typhoon 12cm. 2x Antec case fans. Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Other Info Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro |
12 Dec 2009
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#7 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |
I have heard anecdotally that there isn't much difference in real world situations for most users between 10k drives and the latest generation of fast 7200 RPM drives, such as WD Caviar Black.
Whether that little difference applies to you or is important to you is another matter.
I'd bet you could google HD Tune results for nearly any drive you can name. Look at gaming-oriented forums for info from those obsessed with small increments in speed. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
12 Dec 2009
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Look in to the WD Black drives. You get tons of space and great all around performance on the cheap | My System Specs | | OS win8 pro CPU i7 920@4.2 Motherboard evga x58 ftw3 Memory 12gb corsair vengeance Graphics Card gtx580oc sli Sound Card x-fi titanium fatality Monitor(s) Displays dell u3011 & 2405fpw Keyboard g510 Mouse g9x PSU antec hc-900w Case corsair t600se Cooling corsair h100 Hard Drives x25m & 12tb |
12 Dec 2009
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#9 | | Windows 7 Professional x64 The Wild West |

Quote: Originally Posted by Zahl Look in to the WD Black drives. You get tons of space and great all around performance on the cheap I will second this. Western Digital Black 500GB is one of the best for the money right now.
I use these on builds I cannot use SSDs and LOVE them. They are a little "loud" for some, but for about the sound of a mosquito.....I don't see what the problem is.
All this said......just bite the bullet and get an SSD. You will be shocked you had not done it before and NEVER go back to "spinners" again. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Keeps changing - (Custom) OS Windows 7 Professional x64 CPU Intel Core i7 860 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P55-UD4P Memory 4GB DDR3 Mushkin 1600Mhz @ 7-8-7-20 Graphics Card MSI GTS250 1GB DDR3 Twin Frozr Sound Card Onboard realtek Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 24" P2450 + Samsung 20" 2033 Screen Resolution 1920 X 1080 and 1600 X 900 (#2 system 1440 X 900) Keyboard Gigabyte USB keyboard Mouse Microsoft wireless laser mouse 5000 PSU Corsair 750 HX Modular Case Lancool PC-K62 Cooling Cooler Master TX3 CPU cooler and 4-140mm and 1-120mm case Hard Drives Patriot Inferno 120GB SSD + 3 WD Blue 640GB drives Internet Speed 7 Mb down 1.5 up Other Info System #2: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T (Freezer 7 Pro cooler) - Gigabyte 880GMA-UD2H - WD 500GB Black - 9500GT (1GB) 500W OCZ modular PSU - Antec 200 case. System #3 (LapTop) Core 2 Duo T6670 - 320GB 7200RPM HD - 4GB DDR3 RAM. |
12 Dec 2009
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#10 | | Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1 Danbury, CT |
Somewhat more sincerely:
For sustained data transfers, a Velociraptor may not be superior to a large 7200 RPM drive. I haven't checked the numbers, but the 10kRPM may be more than offset by the higher density of the platters on the larger 7200 RPM drive.
The armature that positions the read heads of the Velociraptor is more robust than for the 7200 RPM drives, though, so it has shorter seek times. By definition, the average rotational latency of a 7200 RPM drive is about 4.2 ms; the 10k drive. 3.0 ms. In principle, these should speed up random access operations compared to 7200 RPM drives.
(SSDs have seek times more like 0.1 ms.) | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number homegrown OS Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1 CPU Intel Core I7-3930k Motherboard Asus P9X79 Pro Memory 16 GB Gskill DDR3-2133 Graphics Card eVGA GTX680 Sound Card Creative X-Fi Titanium Monitor(s) Displays As PA246Q Screen Resolution 1920 X 1200 Keyboard cheap Logitech USB Mouse Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer (old optical) USB PSU PCP&C Silencer 750 Crossfire Case Silverstone FT02 Cooling Noctua NH-D14 Hard Drives Corsair Force GT, 120 GB
WDC 1.5TB Caviar Black Internet Speed 6Mb cable Other Info Pioneer BDR-205
Samsung SH-203B
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