| Windows 7: Solid State Drives |
02 Jan 2010
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#1 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 England |
Solid State Drives Okay, I'm just wondering, I've heard it mentioned quite a bit and I knwo and understand most things about PC's but this I've never really looked into so I'm going to now...
What is a SSD?, What are the pros and cons to using it?, How do you use it?, Is it reccomended?, what performance difference does it give?, and finally, could you make a computer with weak processor/graphics card and everything run very fast and play games very well if you have lots of them in one pc?
Could someone explain in laymens terms? For me and so I can explain to other people as I know this is a reasonably new technology and is suposedly 'the future'?
Thankyou. | My System Specs |
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02 Jan 2010
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Solid State Drives are big RAM disks. No moving parts like platters to break. Upside - very fast. Down side - very expensive. And some write-rewrite issues. Think bleeding edge. | My System Specs | | OS 7 x64 CPU AMD X2 245 @ 3.5 Motherboard Gigabyte MA 790FX Memory 4 gb OCZ Graphics Card Radeon 4550 1GB Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2407 Samsung 1701B Screen Resolution 1920 x 1200 1280 x 1024 PSU Antec 500 Hard Drives WD 500GB x2
WD 250GB x1 |
02 Jan 2010
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#3 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 England |
Cheers, I've just been trying to read up on them... I read that performance degrades over time. Degrade how so? Like a normal PC degrade or like within a year youll notice a diifference? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Pi 3630 OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 @ 2.5GHz Motherboard MS-7504VP-PV Nvidia GeForce 7100 nForce 630i Memory 4096 DDR2 Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT Monitor(s) Displays ViewSonic 19" VA22132w-2 1920 x 1080 (60Hz) Hard Drives 640GB Internet Speed 10mbps |
03 Jan 2010
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#4 | | Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1 Danbury, CT |

Quote: Originally Posted by Almighty1 Cheers, I've just been trying to read up on them... I read that performance degrades over time. Degrade how so? Like a normal PC degrade or like within a year youll notice a diifference? Current SSDs aren't RAM disks. They are flash memory devices. (They retain stored data without electric power.) Here's an article on them: AnandTech: The SSD Anthology: Understanding SSDs and New Drives from OCZ
There are two basic types: SLC (single level cell) and MLC (multi-level cell.) The SLCs store a single bit per cell, and are faster (at least in principle). They're much more expensive than the MLC drives, though.
Unlike most technology, the prices on SSDs have increased lately, apparently due to high demand for flash memory (think iPods, smart phones. etc.).
Their performance degradation is due to the data on them having to be erased before it can be re-written. As a drive is used, it fills up with data that is no longer needed but that hasn't been erased yet. This can lead to slow writes. (Reading data is not affected.) Newer drives, used with Windows 7, support features that do the erase during slack times, to the write slowdowns are supposed to be less. There are also utilities that can be run at intervals to clean the drive, and restore it to new performance.
Don't consider getting an SSD if your object is to improve game performance. It won't make up for a weak CPU or graphics card. (It might improve load times, but that's not vital.) | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number homegrown OS Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1 CPU Intel Core I7-3930k Motherboard Asus P9X79 Pro Memory 16 GB Gskill DDR3-2133 Graphics Card eVGA GTX680 Sound Card Creative X-Fi Titanium Monitor(s) Displays As PA246Q Screen Resolution 1920 X 1200 Keyboard cheap Logitech USB Mouse Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer (old optical) USB PSU PCP&C Silencer 750 Crossfire Case Silverstone FT02 Cooling Noctua NH-D14 Hard Drives Corsair Force GT, 120 GB
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03 Jan 2010
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#5 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64 |
To play games properly at a resolution that counts - 1920x1080 and above an SSD is one link in the chain. You still need proper components with balls for games. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Sony Vaio Z46GDU OS Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64 CPU P9700@2.8GHz 1066MHz FSB Motherboard Sony branded Memory 6GB DDR3 1066MHz Graphics Card 9300M GS 256MB Dedicated (Speed) + Intel4500MHD (Stamina) Sound Card Realtek HD Audio Monitor(s) Displays 13.1' WXGA Screen Resolution 1600x900 Hard Drives 320GB 7200RPM w/ 16MB cache Internet Speed 1MB/s |
03 Jan 2010
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#6 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 England |

Quote: Originally Posted by bobkn 
Quote: Originally Posted by Almighty1 Cheers, I've just been trying to read up on them... I read that performance degrades over time. Degrade how so? Like a normal PC degrade or like within a year youll notice a diifference? Current SSDs aren't RAM disks. They are flash memory devices. (They retain stored data without electric power.) Here's an article on them: AnandTech: The SSD Anthology: Understanding SSDs and New Drives from OCZ
There are two basic types: SLC (single level cell) and MLC (multi-level cell.) The SLCs store a single bit per cell, and are faster (at least in principle). They're much more expensive than the MLC drives, though.
Unlike most technology, the prices on SSDs have increased lately, apparently due to high demand for flash memory (think iPods, smart phones. etc.).
Their performance degradation is due to the data on them having to be erased before it can be re-written. As a drive is used, it fills up with data that is no longer needed but that hasn't been erased yet. This can lead to slow writes. (Reading data is not affected.) Newer drives, used with Windows 7, support features that do the erase during slack times, to the write slowdowns are supposed to be less. There are also utilities that can be run at intervals to clean the drive, and restore it to new performance.
Don't consider getting an SSD if your object is to improve game performance. It won't make up for a weak CPU or graphics card. (It might improve load times, but that's not vital.) No, I wasnt planning on getting one... too expensive. My PC can run every game so far fine, if not better. It's just a saw a video where these people got SSD's aout 100 of them, hooked it up to a pc in RAID or something and they tested it. The boot time was something like 5 seconds, the degraf time was i think 2 seconds and theyopened every application on the pc and it took only 10 seconds. Then I saw them go and run Crysis, and not only did it load up within seconds, but I'd never seen the game run so fast before. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Pi 3630 OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 @ 2.5GHz Motherboard MS-7504VP-PV Nvidia GeForce 7100 nForce 630i Memory 4096 DDR2 Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT Monitor(s) Displays ViewSonic 19" VA22132w-2 1920 x 1080 (60Hz) Hard Drives 640GB Internet Speed 10mbps |
03 Jan 2010
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#7 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by Almighty1 No, I wasnt planning on getting one... too expensive. My PC can run every game so far fine, if not better. It's just a saw a video where these people got SSD's aout 100 of them, hooked it up to a pc in RAID or something and they tested it. The boot time was something like 5 seconds, the degraf time was i think 2 seconds and theyopened every application on the pc and it took only 10 seconds. There was a Samsung video showing 24 of them in a RAID array providing about 1TB of SSD storage space. It was cute, but totally impractical and crazy expensive. 
Quote: Originally Posted by Almighty1 Then I saw them go and run Crysis, and not only did it load up within seconds, but I'd never seen the game run so fast before. Of course, in addition to SSD drives for hard drive speeds, they likely had dual physical processors with multiple cores, a couple of high end gaming video cards in SLI or Crossfire and a lot of other very high end equipment as well. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
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03 Jan 2010
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#8 | | Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1 (desktop) east central NY state |

Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 
Quote: Originally Posted by Almighty1 No, I wasnt planning on getting one... too expensive. My PC can run every game so far fine, if not better. It's just a saw a video where these people got SSD's aout 100 of them, hooked it up to a pc in RAID or something and they tested it. The boot time was something like 5 seconds, the degraf time was i think 2 seconds and theyopened every application on the pc and it took only 10 seconds. There was a Samsung video showing 24 of them in a RAID array providing about 1TB of SSD storage space. It was cute, but totally impractical and crazy expensive. 
Quote: Originally Posted by Almighty1 Then I saw them go and run Crysis, and not only did it load up within seconds, but I'd never seen the game run so fast before. Of course, in addition to SSD drives for hard drive speeds, they likely had dual physical processors with multiple cores, a couple of high end gaming video cards in SLI or Crossfire and a lot of other very high end equipment as well. Yeah, two Intel extreme quad-core processors, and two graphics cards too. Out of my budget though. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. OS Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1 (desktop) CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R Memory 2x 2GB OCZ DDR II SDRAM PC2-6400 Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 9400GT Monitor(s) Displays HP 2009m(primary), Acer P191W Screen Resolution 1600x900, 1440x900 Keyboard Logitech Wave Mouse Logitech M-SBF90 PSU Antec Earthwatts EA500D Case Antec Sonata III Cooling 4 fans Hard Drives Internal:WD Caviar Black 640GB 32MB cache 7200RPM
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03 Jan 2010
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#9 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit Southern Ohio |
You really do not need to put games and other media on the SSD to benefit from them.
True , it will load a game a bit faster, but even putting just the OS on the SSD, and games and other media on spinning drives everything is faster.
As mentioned, the downside is cost to storage.
Still, no way Id ever go back to a spinning drive for the OS. The difference is staggering, even is it just has the OS, & all media and games sitting on spinning drives.
Not only do they read faster, but there is no spinup time, or wait to access data, as with a spinning drive that must seek to several locations to find its target.
Is it worth it? I would say Yes.
Going to SSD for the OS was the most significant upgrade Ive done in a long time.
The impact they have on the system as a whole is immediately apparent.
I would would stay away from the Jmicron controllers however. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom (Self Build) OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit CPU Intel Core i7 2700k Motherboard eVGA P67 SLI Memory 8GB Mushkin Redline Ridgebacks @1866 Graphics Card EVGA GTX570 SC Sound Card XiFi Titanium HD Monitor(s) Displays LG W2453V Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg PSU Seasonic x750 Case Corsair 600T SE White Cooling eVGA Superclocked CPU Cooler Hard Drives Intel 320 80GB -- Intel X25-V 40GB --WD Black 1TB x2 -- WD Blue 640GB Antivirus Kaspersky Browser IE Other Info LG BD/DVD |
03 Jan 2010
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#10 | | Windows XP - Now Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit). |

Quote: Originally Posted by bobkn 
Quote: Originally Posted by Almighty1 Cheers, I've just been trying to read up on them... I read that performance degrades over time. Degrade how so? Like a normal PC degrade or like within a year youll notice a diifference? Current SSDs aren't RAM disks. They are flash memory devices. (They retain stored data without electric power.) Here's an article on them: AnandTech: The SSD Anthology: Understanding SSDs and New Drives from OCZ
There are two basic types: SLC (single level cell) and MLC (multi-level cell.) The SLCs store a single bit per cell, and are faster (at least in principle). They're much more expensive than the MLC drives, though.
Unlike most technology, the prices on SSDs have increased lately, apparently due to high demand for flash memory (think iPods, smart phones. etc.).
Their performance degradation is due to the data on them having to be erased before it can be re-written. As a drive is used, it fills up with data that is no longer needed but that hasn't been erased yet. This can lead to slow writes. (Reading data is not affected.) Newer drives, used with Windows 7, support features that do the erase during slack times, to the write slowdowns are supposed to be less. There are also utilities that can be run at intervals to clean the drive, and restore it to new performance.
Don't consider getting an SSD if your object is to improve game performance. It won't make up for a weak CPU or graphics card. (It might improve load times, but that's not vital.) Lovely post bob | My System Specs | | OS Windows XP - Now Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit). Solid State Drives problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:03 AM. | |