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03-15-2010
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#1 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE |
Patriot 32GB SATA II SSD Solid State Hard I'm considering ordering the SSD in the title, but two questions pop into my head. First, I read where one person couldn't boot to this drive, because of his older hardware. My rigs are not spring chickens either, so I'm wondering if I would have such a problem booting this drive on them (check specs).
Second, I know that this drive is too small to install anything except an OS, but I have never installed only an OS on a drive/partition before, and thus I don't know that only 32GB is sufficient for the OS plus 2-3 shadow copies for System Restore...yes/no?
EDIT: Are there any apps that really need to be on the OS drive/partition? I am considering putting Opera on it, in hopes of giving it some more speed.
EDIT2: Would the pagefile need to be on the SSD also, or would it be just as good on a regular harddrive?
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, KDS AV-7TF/**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1280x1024/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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Personally i would be wary of filling the drive up more than half full as they can start to slow down depending on how much the manufacturer underprovisions them. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 CPU i5-750 Motherboard Asus Memory 4GB DDR3 1600 Graphics Card GT220 |
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#3 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE |

Quote: Originally Posted by Desslok Personally i would be wary of filling the drive up more than half full as they can start to slow down depending on how much the manufacturer underprovisions them. Okay, would using it as described fill it over half? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, KDS AV-7TF/**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1280x1024/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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#4 | | Vista and Windows7, sometimes Ubuntu and Fedora |
The drive is ample for Windows7. My Windows 7 on the SSD is now about 18GB after 5 months of use and a LOT of programs installed. But my data is in a seperate data partition.
In lieu of restore points (2 or 3 are useless anyhow) I do imaging which is a) much more reliable and you you can do b) the images either to the HDD (very fast) or an external disk. To image my system to the HDD takes less than 4 minutes. I also image the data partition, but at different intervals. There is no need to image either one when no changes have occured.
I keep about 10 images of each around at all times and I rotate the images between the HDD, the external permanently attached disk and an external disk that I only attach when I take an image. That gives me maximum security against disk failures and intruders.
Plus, I always keep the image that I took after the initial installation and setup was completed. That allows me to reinstall the system without having to start all the way from scratch. A reinstallation I do about every 6 to 9 months because by then the system has accumulated a lot of quirks. And rather than chase those, I just reinstall. The pain are the MS updates, but that's the price to pay.
Opera is no faster than IE8 by my observation. But I use it too as alternat browser for certain things.
Regarding the page file, that is not a matter of space but a matter of frequency of use (because write operations supposedly degrade the SSD over time). If you have 3 or 4GBs of RAM, it does not matter where it resides because it will hardly ever be used. What you should delete though is the hibernation file with this command in elevated cmd: powercfg.exe -h off
That buys you the equivalent of your RAM size. Bottom line: Go for it. SSDs are great.
PS: you can fill the disk up to 85%. If you have 15% of free space, you can execute all operations. I don't know where this 50% rule came from. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway - 2 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista and Windows7, sometimes Ubuntu and Fedora CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to 2.5GHz Quad Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse terrible devices, who wants them Hard Drives 5x HDD, 2x SSD, 6x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
03-15-2010
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#5 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE |
Thanks, you covered the full gambit, except my first question. What determines whether a SSD will be bootable or not? I'm not sure, but I imagine that it is whether or not it would be listed as a boot option in the BIOS. A flash drive appears in the group with regular harddrives on my system. Would that be the same with a SSD? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, KDS AV-7TF/**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1280x1024/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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03-15-2010
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#6 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64 |

Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister Thanks, you cover the full gambit, except my first question. What determines whether a SSD will be bootable or not? I'm not sure, but I imagine that it is whether or not it would be listed as a boot option in the BIOS. A flash drive appears in the group with regular harddrives on my system. Would that be the same with a SSD? Most likely. I wouldn't touch the drive if it doesn't support TRIM though. It would also be better if it had a SATA 6GB/s interface and your motherboard had the same. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Sony Vaio Z46GDU OS Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64 CPU P9700@2.8GHz 1066MHz FSB Motherboard Sony branded Memory 6GB DDR3 1066MHz Graphics Card 9300M GS 256MB Dedicated (Speed) + Intel4500MHD (Stamina) Sound Card Realtek HD Audio Monitor(s) Displays 13.1' WXGA Screen Resolution 1600x900 Hard Drives 320GB 7200RPM w/ 16MB cache Internet Speed 1MB/s |
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#7 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE |
It is not clear whether it supports trim or not The only thing that Ihave found on the subject are customer reviews, and some say yes, some say no. It is difficult to find a definite answer.
What I don't understand is this thing that you call a 6GB interface...what is that, a write cache? What would other hardware have to do with this functioning or not?
EDIT: BTW, this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM
explains trim fairly well. I get the impression that it is what permits a SSD to use it's full capacity without slowing down. However, if one never installed any apps on the drive, only the OS alone, I'm wondering how many excess files would be left without trim, if one disabled shadow copies, hibernation and the pagefile? It would seem that the only thing that would change would be the registry, would that be entirely rewritten with each change of the registry, or simply added to as necessary?
EDIT2: I understand the need to retain 15% freespace on a regular harddrive. The majority of that (12%) is needed for defragging, but since SSDs are not defragged, does it still need that space for something else...what? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, KDS AV-7TF/**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1280x1024/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
03-15-2010
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#8 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64 |

Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister It is not clear whether it supports trim or not The only thing that Ihave found on the subject are customer reviews, and some say yes, some say no. It is difficult to find a definite answer.
What I don't understand is this thing that you call a 6GB interface...what is that, a cache? What would other hardware have to do with this functioning or not? 6GB/s is a new SATA standard, as some SSD's can peak at the current 3GB/s standard. As for TRIM, you need it, as the OS can make sure the drive doesn't slow down with uncleared pages. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Sony Vaio Z46GDU OS Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64 CPU P9700@2.8GHz 1066MHz FSB Motherboard Sony branded Memory 6GB DDR3 1066MHz Graphics Card 9300M GS 256MB Dedicated (Speed) + Intel4500MHD (Stamina) Sound Card Realtek HD Audio Monitor(s) Displays 13.1' WXGA Screen Resolution 1600x900 Hard Drives 320GB 7200RPM w/ 16MB cache Internet Speed 1MB/s |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne 6GB/s is a new SATA standard, as some SSD's can peak at the current 3GB/s standard. I have yet to see an SSD drive in a single configuration that can hit the current 3 gigabit per second SATA standard...that's roughly 385MB/s. SSD's max out around 250-275MB/s
The connector standards are always way ahead of the curve. I mean we used to have ATA 66, then 100 and then 133. Then we had sata 150, and then sata 3.0Gb/s and now we are moving to sata 6.0Gb/s. There are very few mechanical drives which can yet max out the 133 standard at this point. None yet can max out sata 150. And even SSD drives aren't at the 3.0Gb/s area yet. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS Internet Speed 15/1 cable modem Other Info Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset. |
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Additionally, there are only a couple of boards out there that currently integrate Sata III. Doesn't seem logical to hold off on proven performance gains until the latest technology becomes mainstream... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Grown OS Windows 7 Ultimate (64) CPU i7-2600K Motherboard Asus P8P67-M Pro Memory G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) Graphics Card ATI 5750 Sound Card On-Board Monitor(s) Displays LG W2486L Screen Resolution 1920X1080 PSU Zalman ZM770-XT 770 Watts Case Antec 180 mini Cooling Cooler Master V8 Hard Drives Intel X-25M 80 Gig SSD | Intel X-25M 160 Gig SSD | WD Black 500MB - External eSata Internet Speed 15MB - Cable Other Info Sissy OC - 4.6 @ 1.3175 24/7 | 18' Idle - 55' Load | Patriot 32GB SATA II SSD Solid State Hard | All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:25 AM. |  |