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Windows 7 - Which processor should I get? |
05-06-2010
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#1 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 |
Which processor should I get? I plan on using my new buld for gaming and I'm wanting a faster computer than my TouchSmart with a Turion X2 64.
I also don't want to spend more than $100 on it, and thus far I have compiled a list of processors that I'm good with having. But I want to know what would be the best deal, with the price and performance ratio. Athlon II X3 @ 2.9 GHz
Athlon II X2 @ 3.1 GHz Athlon II X4 @ 2.6 GHz Phenom II X2 @ 3.1 GHz Athlon II X4 @ 2.8 GHz Phenom II X2 Black Edition @ 3.2 GHz Athlon II X2 @ 2.8 GHz
I plan on staying away from Intel, simply because I've had bad experiences with them. If there are even better ones then that, I need one that is compatible with Socket AM3, and uses no more than 140W. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Built OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X2 @ 3.1 GHz Motherboard ASRock M3A770DE Memory Crucial Rendition 2GB DDR3 Graphics Card nVidia GeForce GT 220 Sound Card SoundMax Digital HD Audio Monitor(s) Displays DCLCD 19" (DCL9C) Screen Resolution 1280X1024 Keyboard Logitech Wave Mouse Logitech LX3 PSU Eagle Voltas 600W Case PGS Aero Cool Cooling 120mm, 100mm,100mm, 70mm, 20mm Hard Drives 320GB Seagate Barracuda SATA 7200RPM (ST3320820AS)
320GB Seagate Barracuda SATA 7200RPM (ST3320820AS)
100 Seagate Barracuda IDE 7200RPM (ST3100011A)
40GB Samsung SP0411N IDE 7200 RPM
40GB Western Digital Caviar IDE 7200RPM (WD400)
160GB Maxtor Q Internet Speed 3Mb/s |
05-06-2010
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#2 | | |
Personally, I'd recommend a Phenom II X4 if you really want quad core. You'll get a million different suggestions here, some say that you can overclock the crappier (Athlon) processors, others say you should just get a dual core.
If you want the power of quad core, you might as well get one with a decent cache size. Granted, you can overclock the slower processors, but I think you'll have much better luck if you buy a Phenom II X4 at a little lower speed than an Athlon II X4 and overclock the Phenom. The Phenom will have a larger cache size which will help with everything you do.
Here's an open box X4 940 (3.0G / 6M) for $100 Newegg.com - Open Box: AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor
Or a brand new X4 925 (2.8G / 6M) for $130 Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 925 Deneb 2.8GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor
If you're looking for power and processing capabilities, you're going to be much better off getting a processor with a larger cache. It'll serve you much better than the equivalent Athlon II X4 w/ a 2M L2.
EDIT: Just noticed you said you were gaming. You should know that beyond the processor speed, you also need to really think about your graphics card. Graphics cards are the most important part of a gaming system. Don't skimp on whatever you buy. Personally, if you want to play all of the newer games at decent settings and frame rates you'll need a GTX 260 or it's equivalent from ATI. You might be able to get away with a 9800 GTX but Id recommend the 260 due to the fact that the memory bandwidth is so much higher. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Apple Macbook Pro (April 2009) OS W7 Ult. x64 | OS X CPU Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo 2.93Ghz [T9800 Penryn] Motherboard NVIDIA nForce 730i Rev. B1 [Mac-F2268EC8 (U2E1)] Memory 4096MB Samsung DDR3 Dual Channel [PC3-8500F 1066Mhz] Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT 512MB [G96M Rev. C1] Sound Card SB X-Fi Surround 5.1 USB | Onboard Realtek (Disabled) Monitor(s) Displays Acer x223wbd 22" | Apple Anti-Glare 17" (Disabled) Screen Resolution {Current} 1440x900 {Acer} 1680x1050 {Apple} 1920x1200 Keyboard Logitech G-15v2 [PN 920-000379] Mouse Logitech G-9 [PN 910-000338] PSU Magsafe Case Aluminum/Unibody (MBP52) Cooling 2 x 6000 RPM Fans Hard Drives {Internal}
Seagate Momentus 320GB 2.5" 7200RPM [ST9320421AS]
{Externals}
LaCie 320GB USB 2.0 HDD [301284UR]
LaCie 750GB USB 2.0 FW400 eSATA HDD [301314U]
LaCie 1TB USB 2.0 HDD [301304UR] Internet Speed 12Mbps/2.5Mbps w/ 24Mbps Speed Boost [Comcast] Other Info Logitech X-540 Speakers [PN 970223-0122]
Sennheiser PC-151 Headset |
05-06-2010
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#3 | | Win 7 Pro x64/Win Server 2008 R2 |
The Phenom would be the best bang for your buck. Larger cache = better performance. Stay away from the Black Edition unless you plan to OC the chip and have very good cooling, or it's on sale cheap. The price/performance ratio for the BE isn't as good as the locked model, and you pay a premium for the unlocked multi. Overclocking just by the multi alone also won't give you much of a real world boost compared to a system wide OC. You'll get some pretty numbers in synthetic benchmarks, but the difference with real use might not be as dramatic as you might think. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Mellon Labs OS Win 7 Pro x64/Win Server 2008 R2 CPU Phenom II X4 955 BE @ 3400 Motherboard ASUS M4A79XTD EVO Memory 8 GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3-12800 @ 1600 7-7-7-20 Graphics Card 2 x Sapphire Radeon 1GB 4670 - Crossfire Sound Card VIA HD Audio on MB. Sounds great. Monitor(s) Displays Acer 23" HDMI Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech G15 Mouse MS Comfort 3000 optical PSU OCZ Stealthstream 600 Case Antec 200 Cooling Coolermaster V8 w/AS 5, too many fans. Hard Drives 1 x WD Silicon Edge 64GB SSD
1 x WD 160GB SATA
1 x WD 500GB SATA Internet Speed Fast enough, kinda, but I'm in Canada. Waaay overpriced. :( Other Info A Mellon Labs X-1 - LCD Smartie driven system status display.
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05-07-2010
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#4 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 |

Quote: Originally Posted by notsograymatter EDIT: Just noticed you said you were gaming. You should know that beyond the processor speed, you also need to really think about your graphics card. Graphics cards are the most important part of a gaming system. Don't skimp on whatever you buy. Personally, if you want to play all of the newer games at decent settings and frame rates you'll need a GTX 260 or it's equivalent from ATI. You might be able to get away with a 9800 GTX but Id recommend the 260 due to the fact that the memory bandwidth is so much higher. Oh I've already done that, I'm going with a GT 240, even though its a bit lower end, it's enough for what I want to use it for. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Built OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X2 @ 3.1 GHz Motherboard ASRock M3A770DE Memory Crucial Rendition 2GB DDR3 Graphics Card nVidia GeForce GT 220 Sound Card SoundMax Digital HD Audio Monitor(s) Displays DCLCD 19" (DCL9C) Screen Resolution 1280X1024 Keyboard Logitech Wave Mouse Logitech LX3 PSU Eagle Voltas 600W Case PGS Aero Cool Cooling 120mm, 100mm,100mm, 70mm, 20mm Hard Drives 320GB Seagate Barracuda SATA 7200RPM (ST3320820AS)
320GB Seagate Barracuda SATA 7200RPM (ST3320820AS)
100 Seagate Barracuda IDE 7200RPM (ST3100011A)
40GB Samsung SP0411N IDE 7200 RPM
40GB Western Digital Caviar IDE 7200RPM (WD400)
160GB Maxtor Q Internet Speed 3Mb/s |
05-07-2010
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#5 | | Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by notsograymatter Personally, I'd recommend a Phenom II X4 if you really want quad core. You'll get a million different suggestions here, some say that you can overclock the crappier (Athlon) processors, others say you should just get a dual core.
If you want the power of quad core, you might as well get one with a decent cache size. Granted, you can overclock the slower processors, but I think you'll have much better luck if you buy a Phenom II X4 at a little lower speed than an Athlon II X4 and overclock the Phenom. The Phenom will have a larger cache size which will help with everything you do.
Here's an open box X4 940 (3.0G / 6M) for $100 Newegg.com - Open Box: AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor
Or a brand new X4 925 (2.8G / 6M) for $130 Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 925 Deneb 2.8GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor
If you're looking for power and processing capabilities, you're going to be much better off getting a processor with a larger cache. It'll serve you much better than the equivalent Athlon II X4 w/ a 2M L2.
EDIT: Just noticed you said you were gaming. You should know that beyond the processor speed, you also need to really think about your graphics card. Graphics cards are the most important part of a gaming system. Don't skimp on whatever you buy. Personally, if you want to play all of the newer games at decent settings and frame rates you'll need a GTX 260 or it's equivalent from ATI. You might be able to get away with a 9800 GTX but Id recommend the 260 due to the fact that the memory bandwidth is so much higher. I agree. I have a Phenom II X4 3.0GHz 945. Stay away from the X2 and X3. You'll read that you can "unlock the extra cores" on those processors to turn them into quad-cores. AMD locks them because they're really X4's with defective cores, which you're not supposed to have access to.
Anyways, the Phenom II X4 is the top of the line AMD and I can vouch for it. It's an amazing processor with loads of options, and it does not slow down one bit. I was able to run 4 VMs (Windows XP, Ubuntu, Windows 7, Windows Vista) at the same time, WHILE playing Modern Warfare (just for kicks), and it only used about 11% of the processor. Any owner of this processor can tell you how great it is. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit CPU AMD Phenom II X4 3.0GHz Motherboard ASUS M4A785-M Memory 4GB A-Data DDR2 Graphics Card PNY GeForce 460 GTX 1GB OC - Enthusiast Edition Sound Card VIA High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell 19" Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Microsoft Wireless Keyboard 2000 Mouse Microsoft Wireless Mouse 2000 Case ASUS Cooling Corsair Builder Series CX V2 500-Watt Hard Drives 250GB Western Digital WD2500JB (IDE) - Main
164GB Western Digital WD1600AAJS (SATA) - Multimedia/DL's Internet Speed 3 Mbps/768 kbps |
05-07-2010
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Quote: Originally Posted by Product FRED Stay away from the X2 and X3. You'll read that you can "unlock the extra cores" on those processors to turn them into quad-cores. AMD locks them because they're really X4's with defective cores, which you're not supposed to have access to. Huh? Care to explain? 
Quote: Originally Posted by Product FRED Anyways, the Phenom II X4 is the top of the line AMD and I can vouch for it. What about the new 6 core CPU? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number NVIDIA OS Windows 7 Enterprise x64 CPU AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual Core 3800+ Motherboard GeForce 6100-M9 Memory OCZ Platinum Dual Channel - 4x1Gb Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT PCI Express x16 Sound Card Creative Audigy Sound Blaster Extreme PCI Monitor(s) Displays Compaq 7500 Screen Resolution 1024x768 Keyboard Logitech Mouse Radio Shack PS2 PSU OCZ 600w Dual 12v Rails Case Thermaltake Cooling OCZ Heatsinks, Fans, and Thermal Paste on CPU & Chipsets Hard Drives C: Seagate ST3250318AS SataII - 250Gb
D: Seagate ST3500418AS SataII - 500Gb Internet Speed Cable Other Info Dual Pioneer DVD/RW optical drives. LG CD/RW optical drive. |
05-07-2010
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#7 | | Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by MadMaxData 
Quote: Originally Posted by Product FRED Stay away from the X2 and X3. You'll read that you can "unlock the extra cores" on those processors to turn them into quad-cores. AMD locks them because they're really X4's with defective cores, which you're not supposed to have access to. Huh? Care to explain? 
Quote: Originally Posted by Product FRED Anyways, the Phenom II X4 is the top of the line AMD and I can vouch for it. What about the new 6 core CPU? In regard to your first query, read this. It explains everything: AMD Phenom II Core Unlocking Guide for X2 550BE / X3 710 & 720BE - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net Quote: Like all manufacturing processes, chip fabrication is no different. There are always parts which don’t make the quality cut. In the case of the Phenom II Quad cores, these parts may have defective cores or cache. Rather than throwing these defective Quad cores out, AMD decided to repackage these chips as Dual cores or Tri core processors. It was a win-win scenario for AMD. They would sell these processors at a cheaper price to recover costs and also minimize wasted parts. And I wasn't aware the x6's were released. At this point, you won't need one since you won't have a use for the extra two cores. Besides, I'm working with the processors he told us to choose from. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit CPU AMD Phenom II X4 3.0GHz Motherboard ASUS M4A785-M Memory 4GB A-Data DDR2 Graphics Card PNY GeForce 460 GTX 1GB OC - Enthusiast Edition Sound Card VIA High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell 19" Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Microsoft Wireless Keyboard 2000 Mouse Microsoft Wireless Mouse 2000 Case ASUS Cooling Corsair Builder Series CX V2 500-Watt Hard Drives 250GB Western Digital WD2500JB (IDE) - Main
164GB Western Digital WD1600AAJS (SATA) - Multimedia/DL's Internet Speed 3 Mbps/768 kbps |
05-07-2010
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#8 | | Win 7 Pro x64/Win Server 2008 R2 |
I wouldn't put a lot of stock in unlocking ANY core. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Mellon Labs OS Win 7 Pro x64/Win Server 2008 R2 CPU Phenom II X4 955 BE @ 3400 Motherboard ASUS M4A79XTD EVO Memory 8 GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3-12800 @ 1600 7-7-7-20 Graphics Card 2 x Sapphire Radeon 1GB 4670 - Crossfire Sound Card VIA HD Audio on MB. Sounds great. Monitor(s) Displays Acer 23" HDMI Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech G15 Mouse MS Comfort 3000 optical PSU OCZ Stealthstream 600 Case Antec 200 Cooling Coolermaster V8 w/AS 5, too many fans. Hard Drives 1 x WD Silicon Edge 64GB SSD
1 x WD 160GB SATA
1 x WD 500GB SATA Internet Speed Fast enough, kinda, but I'm in Canada. Waaay overpriced. :( Other Info A Mellon Labs X-1 - LCD Smartie driven system status display.
Brought to you by the letter C |
05-07-2010
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#9 | | Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit |
Just grab a Phenom II X4 945 or better and you'll be set. Don't bother with Athlons, X2s, or X3s. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit CPU AMD Phenom II X4 3.0GHz Motherboard ASUS M4A785-M Memory 4GB A-Data DDR2 Graphics Card PNY GeForce 460 GTX 1GB OC - Enthusiast Edition Sound Card VIA High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell 19" Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Microsoft Wireless Keyboard 2000 Mouse Microsoft Wireless Mouse 2000 Case ASUS Cooling Corsair Builder Series CX V2 500-Watt Hard Drives 250GB Western Digital WD2500JB (IDE) - Main
164GB Western Digital WD1600AAJS (SATA) - Multimedia/DL's Internet Speed 3 Mbps/768 kbps |
05-07-2010
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Quote: Originally Posted by Product FRED And I wasn't aware the x6's were released. At this point, you won't need one since you won't have a use for the extra two cores. Besides, I'm working with the processors he told us to choose from. I won't need anything other than what I'm currently running for awhile [socket 939 AMD Athlon X2]. It goes just as fast as I can click. But when I eventually upgrade to a socket AM3 board, I'll probably get a 6 core AMD. Should be nice and cheap by then. 
Quote: Originally Posted by Mellon Head I wouldn't put a lot of stock in unlocking ANY core. My dual core came unlocked from the factory. What's wrong with an unlocked multiplier? I don't overclock to begin with, but it's nice to have that ability in the event I change my mind. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number NVIDIA OS Windows 7 Enterprise x64 CPU AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual Core 3800+ Motherboard GeForce 6100-M9 Memory OCZ Platinum Dual Channel - 4x1Gb Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT PCI Express x16 Sound Card Creative Audigy Sound Blaster Extreme PCI Monitor(s) Displays Compaq 7500 Screen Resolution 1024x768 Keyboard Logitech Mouse Radio Shack PS2 PSU OCZ 600w Dual 12v Rails Case Thermaltake Cooling OCZ Heatsinks, Fans, and Thermal Paste on CPU & Chipsets Hard Drives C: Seagate ST3250318AS SataII - 250Gb
D: Seagate ST3500418AS SataII - 500Gb Internet Speed Cable Other Info Dual Pioneer DVD/RW optical drives. LG CD/RW optical drive. Which processor should I get? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:40 PM. |  |