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  1. supernova777
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    to system partition or not to system partition


    Hi People
    just wondering if someone can explain to me how i can force windows to install its system partition on install. I have two machines, one AMD powered and one Intel powered.. on the AMD machine windows 7 installed flawlessly and quickly from my thumbdrive.. on the intel.. nothing but nightmares so far its taken hours.. i had it all installed perfectly and i had already installed all my apps and i rebooted and then it failed to see the drive and wouldnt boot. i ran system recovery and it told me because there was no system partition but the thing is , on the install on the AMD machine that went beautifully windows came up and said "Windows may create other partition.." blah blah ... what is the difference.. how come there is no asking of questions in regard to this when installing sometimes??? i was trying to make it do this when i installed.. and im about to try again this very second but if anyone knows what the deciding factor is for windows in how it chooses whether or not to do this.. i mean i just ran diskpart by pressing shift-f10 while the install was loading (thanks for teaching me that cool trick sevenforums members and i did a CLEAN on the drive.. which is an SSD OCZ Vertex 2 60gb btw... im going to try to select the disk unpartitioned now in the hopes that windows will 'do the right thing' heh.. Im pretty sure this is what i did last time, except for the fact that i deleted the partition with the installer advanced options that time, and didnt "CLEAN" it.. but in my mind theres little difference.. anyone able to clear this up for me?? i love windows 7 but its things like this that really get me dissappointed in Microsoft. Just the way they decide to do things, and to not document fully all the possible outcomes of a process.. retarded.
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  3. supernova777
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    another thing to note is that i was using both the same type of hard drives. the OCZ vertex 2 60GB.. in both instances in both computers here, i just had the thought, is it a possibility that the Bios setting of the sata drive has something to do with whether or not the win7 installer chooses to create teh system partition? ie: IDE mode, AHCI mode vs RAID mode..

    also of note, im installing windows 7 64bit..
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  4. Bare Foot Kid
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    Hello supernova777.



    Basically one will get the new Windows 7 "System Reserved" partition whenever you install to a Hard Disk Drive (HDD) that has never been installed to or that is listed/seen as "unallocated space" by the Windows 7 installer, the latter is achieved with 'used' HDD/SSD(s) by running either the clean or the clean all command from a command line before the installation process.

    Another aspect a lot of users don't comprehend; if "Drive Options (advanced)" of the Windows 7 installer is used to delete/recreate/format an existing Windows 7/SysResv partition(s) during the installation process in an attempt to not recreate the SysResv partition it will still be recreated.

    The same diskpart session can be used to create the SysResv partition to any HDD/SSD as outlined in Step Two #3 of this tutorial at the link below.

    SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation


    There are also methods to create the SysResv partition after Windows 7 has been installed, have a look at these tutorials and be sure to post back with any further questions you may have and to keep us informed.

    System Reserved : Create Using Disk Management

    System Reserved : Create for Dual Boot
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  6. supernova777
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    interesting. ok, I've got my system up and functioning fine now. After running CLEAN on the drive before installing, and putting the controller into AHCI mode.

    :)
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  7. supernova777
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    ok ive actually got a problem again, my computer is rebooting just after the "starting windows" screen with the animation appears... asus p5b deluxe board.. e6600 intel chip.. 2 raids for storage on intel chipset, ive unplugged the PATA devices frm the Jmicron controller. Im wondering if its because its meant to have the boot drive on the 1 Sata port that is connected to the Jmicron controller.. as im selecting F8, and choosing my OCZ ssd, but it was tring to boot from the dvd drive, and one PATA hard drive that i connected.. before i tried connecting the PATA hard drive there was no problem, now ive disconnected it and i cant even boot up. I cant believe how much trouble im having with this as before i had 2 OCZ vertex 2 in RAID formation on the Intel chipset on this same board and i had ZERO problems..

    ive run start up recovery already and it did nothing but ask me if i want to restore from a system restore point??? i dont get it..

    ok tried reconnecting it to the SATA RAID port on the jmicron controller on my board.. and no deals. same thing. reboots in 'starting windows' animation before th balls even come together to form the windows logo.. WTF!!!
    id really like to avoid reinstalling again, and this time the system partition is there, i know, i checked, system was working fine, i dont get ittttttt
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  8. supernova777
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    my only guess as to whats going on here in this scenario is that the drive that i connected to the PATA interface.. was 1 of 2 dynamic disks that im trying to get the data off so i can wipe them.. and ive read that each dynamic disk keeps information at the end of the partition about all the other disks in the system?? could it be that this somehow changed my setup simply by trying to boot up with it connected ONCE? its no longer connected..

    i just ran set up and got in and pressed shift-f10 to bring up cmd.. and then i checked the drives and my drive letters have all changed.. my boot drive is now drive F for some reason.. i guess this could be my problem:?
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  10. supernova777
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    GRRRRRRRRREAT i just ran windows start up recovery and now it says BOOTMGR is missing. this is getting worse and worse
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  11. supernova777
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    downloading a 64bit windows 7 recovery disc image.. hoping it will save my neck as i got messages in the cmd prompt saying i needed the proper version of windows to do what i was trying to do (bcdedit)

    btw i got my drive back to C: frm F: it seems the intel gets stacked in front of the jmicron after all (on the p5b deluxe asus board)
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  12. supernova777
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    i have no idea what to do other then to reinstall again.. i have burned the 64 bit recovery disk on my other pc and booted with it, repaired.. and hoped it woudl work fine and it doesnt.. same problem as before -- windows doesnt start up.. it reboots thecomptuer right after the windows is starting screen(

    anyone?? please help
    i cant believe this is happening to me, this is embarassing. this never happens tome.. what the hell is going on? im like a newb.. :/
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  13. supernova777
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    its gotta be some kind of hardware thing, because this doesnt happen to me ever.. i cant take the wrap on this one. its either windows or the ocz disk.. somethings gotta give
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