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Windows 7: Unable to Boot without a Bootable Disc in the Drive

18 Jul 2009   #1
Okran

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 
Unable to Boot without a Bootable Disc in the Drive

I have two HD drives, one SATA and one IDE, plus one SATA CD/DVD drive. Firstly I used to have XP on the SATA and Win7 on the IDE, but the IDE drive is smaller and slower and I wanted to essentially swap them over. The boot devices are set in the bios as CD/DVD first, SATA second, IDE third.

So I have installed XP first on the IDE and now Win7 on the SATA, but after I removed the Win7 DVD and restarted it is refusing to boot saying NO BOOT DEVICE DETECTED, INSERT SYSTEM DISK. Now if I place the Win7 dvd in the drive and ignore the PRESS ANY KEY TO BOOT FROM CD/DVD...., it will book fine.

This will surely fustrate non-technical users no end and some may not even think to try and replace the OS disk and try again.

I think I know what has happened, but more importantly how do I go and fix it to just boot without needing a damn boot disk everytime!?

Any sugguestions would be greatly appreciated.


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18 Jul 2009   #2
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Okran View Post
I have two HD drives, one SATA and one IDE, plus one SATA CD/DVD drive. Firstly I used to have XP on the SATA and Win7 on the IDE, but the IDE drive is smaller and slower and I wanted to essentially swap them over. The boot devices are set in the bios as CD/DVD first, SATA second, IDE third.

So I have installed XP first on the IDE and now Win7 on the SATA, but after I removed the Win7 DVD and restarted it is refusing to boot saying NO BOOT DEVICE DETECTED, INSERT SYSTEM DISK. Now if I place the Win7 dvd in the drive and ignore the PRESS ANY KEY TO BOOT FROM CD/DVD...., it will book fine.

This will surely fustrate non-technical users no end and some may not even think to try and replace the OS disk and try again.

I think I know what has happened, but more importantly how do I go and fix it to just boot without needing a damn boot disk everytime!?

Any sugguestions would be greatly appreciated.
Check you BIOS and make sure that it is set to boot from the Win7 Drive first
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18 Jul 2009   #3
Okran

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Hi, thanks for the sugguestion. I just tried that and it said BOOTMGR IS MISSING and stops there. So I reset then hit F8, select DVD drive, then ignore the PRESS A KEY TO BOOT FROM DVD.... prompt to boot into Win7.

I just tried to Repair via the system repair option and viewed the details of the system startup recovery and it says my Win7 is set to D:\. This is incorrect, but it didn't find any problems so it didn't fix it. Will changing this to C:\ fix it and if so how do I change it please?
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18 Jul 2009   #4
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Okran View Post
Hi, thanks for the sugguestion. I just tried that and it said BOOTMGR IS MISSING and stops there. So I reset then hit F8, select DVD drive, then ignore the PRESS A KEY TO BOOT FROM DVD.... prompt to boot into Win7.

I just tried to Repair via the system repair option and viewed the details of the system startup recovery and it says my Win7 is set to D:\. This is incorrect, but it didn't find any problems so it didn't fix it. Will changing this to C:\ fix it and if so how do I change it please?
Well, since you changed the bootdrive in BIOS, the right drive is selected because now at least you get bootmgr missing instead of bootdisk missing.

Now just do another clean install of Win7 and you should be fine.
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18 Jul 2009   #5
bahn

Win 7 7264/Server 2k3
 
 

I had the "Insert system disk" error reinstalling Server2k3. It will only boot when the DVD in the drive. I had to reinstall it several times before i got it working right. I had burned my w2k3 at high speeds and when installing it said some files are missing so i inserted another copy of win2k3 (from another source) and the installation continued. When the install finished I removed the dvd then thats when the "insert system disk" problem started.

Try reburning your Win7 at the lowest possible speeds and reinstall

I also have 1 SATA and 1 IDE drive. My Server2k3 is on the SATA
win 7 is on the IDE. If the system startup recovery tells you that win7 is set to D:\ it will automatically change into C:\ when you boot into win7
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19 Jul 2009   #6
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

The only thing he needs to do is reboot the computer...put the installation disc back in and boot that...choose repair computer and let it detect startup problems...after that he should be able to boot without the disk...np
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19 Jul 2009   #7
intrax

win7
 
 

Another experts trick on boot problems:

install EasyBCD on the WinXP drive and run from there. Now you can reinstall the Vista/Win7 bootloader and fix any boot troubles without reinstallation or repair from Win7. Only recommended for experts though !

Goodluck !
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19 Jul 2009   #8
Okran

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Cheers for all the advice.

I lost patience last night and tried easybcd and changed the xp drive to d: and the win7 to c:, then both systems failed to boot.

So I first re-formated the IDE (xp) drive and re-installed xp, then I did the same with windows 7. Windows 7 had a problem after the first re-boot during the installation, said BOOTMGR IS MISSING again on a fresh install too...

I'll try the win7 system startup repair first and post back what I find.
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19 Jul 2009   #9
Okran

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by squonksc View Post
Now just do another clean install of Win7 and you should be fine.
Just tried that, it's still doing the same


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bahn View Post
Try reburning your Win7 at the lowest possible speeds and reinstall
I burned mine a 2x speed so it's working fine, plus when I had XP on my SATA and win7 on my IDE I didn't get any problems.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane2424 View Post
The only thing he needs to do is reboot the computer...put the installation disc back in and boot that...choose repair computer and let it detect startup problems...after that he should be able to boot without the disk...np
Tried that just before, but it didn't detect any problems so it didn't fix anything.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by intrax View Post
Another experts trick on boot problems:

install EasyBCD on the WinXP drive and run from there. Now you can reinstall the Vista/Win7 bootloader and fix any boot troubles without reinstallation or repair from Win7. Only recommended for experts though !

Goodluck !
I'll get easyBCD back onto XP and try it out, looks like it's going to be the only way to fix it.

How crap is that though! I have to resort to using another parties software just to get win7 to boot as the primary device on my PC.
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19 Jul 2009   #10
Okran

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Well after some thought I decided not to try easyBCD first. Instead I tried a few things and eventually I got it to work.

As I installed XP first it was drive C:\, then when I installed Win7 it installed as D:\, however the boot loader was on C:. So this is why it wasn't working and I fixed it by swapping the boot priority in the bios to loading the XP drive first and viola.

Strange that I had to do that and that the boot loader wasn't loaded to the same drive where it was installed instead. It's a backwards setup but it works.

Thanks again for all your help and sugguestions.
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