| Windows 7: Questions about the MBR |
20 Jul 2011
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| | Windows 7 Pro X64 24 posts |
Questions about the MBR Alright, so long story short my home built desktop has 3 hard drives.
One of which is a far newer Western Digital Caviar Black 750gb drive.
The next oldest drive is approximately 4 years old 250GB seagate hard drive that was I originally got as a replacement drive for an older computer.
The third, and oldest drive at nearly 6 years old, was the drive that was the one replaced by the drive mentioned above. I was able to repair the drive and has worked quite well for quite a while. It is 250GB Western Digital drive, some OEM model put in an old HP circa 2005.
Since my desktop was the product of a long series of drawn out upgrades (unemployed high school students tend to have small computer budgets  ) and at least 3 seperate installations of OS's (one vista, one windows 7 RC and one full windows 7 pro 64-bit) the later two were done on the Caviar Black.
However, the Master Boot Record, it appears, is on the oldest of the drives.
It also appears that the disk is failing (or at least that is my guess).
This is because occasionally when I start my computer it will tell me I have No OS installed. The instances in which this happened has increased over the past week or so.
Other times it will boot properly to the screen where I can choose which OS I would like to boo, even though Win 7 pro 64-bit is the only one still actually installed.
My question is how can I move the MBR from that older failing drive to my primary drive, the Caviar Black?
Also what are other tests and diagnostics I should/could run to see if the drive is failing and get a better idea of how soon I need to get a new drive.
Thank you!
P.S. System specs below are up to date
Last edited by Sauronis; 20 Jul 2011 at 10:24 PM..
Reason: Added a P.S.
| My System Specs |
| OS Windows 7 Pro X64 CPU Intel e8400 @ 3.46 Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte EP43-DS3L Memory 2 x 2gb Patriot DDR2 800 Graphics Card ASUS Radeon 5770 Monitor(s) Displays 22" Hanns-g, 19" sony Keyboard Logitech Slim Illuminated Keyboard Mouse Logitech G3 PSU Antec Earthwatts 500w Case Azza Solano 1000R Cooling Zalman 9300AT, 1 X 120mm Fans 2 x 140mm, 2 x 230mm Hard Drives 750GB WD Caviar Black
250GB WD
250GB Seagate |
20 Jul 2011
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| | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 4,012 posts Australia |
The MBR issue would probably be resolved via a "System Repair Disk" Repair function or a Bootrec /fixmbr but
A disk management screenshot would help.
Disk diagnostics:
Try the WD Lifeguard diagnostics
and the Windows chkdsk (can be carried out via command prompt or Windows "Computer" screen. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
21 Jul 2011
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| | MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit 10,288 posts Austin, Texas |
Sauronis,
Please carry out following: HOW TO POST A SNAPSHOT OF DISK MANAGEMENT DISPLAY Run disk management: WIN | type DISKMGMT.MSC | ENTER WIN is the key with the wavy flag. Maximize the output of Disk Management: ALT-Spacebar key combo (this pops up a menu) | X key (selects Maximize) |
Drag the field separators (such as between Status and Capacity) to show entire field. This is very important, otherwise, needed info is not visible. Make a snapshot: WIN | type SNIPPING | ENTER
Click the New button.
Drag the cursor around the area you want to snip. File | Save as | select save location and name | Save button Post the snapshot: · Click on the paperclip icon in that row of icons at the top of the message box. · Click on a BROWSE button. There are 5 of them. · Navigate to the folder containing the snapshot. · Click on the snapshot. · Click on the OPEN button. · Click on the UPLOAD button adjacent to the 5th BROWSE button. · Close the MANAGE ATTACHMENTS window. · Position the cursor at the spot in the message where you want the
snapshot to appear. · Click on the PaperClip again. · Click on the file which you want to insert · Attach code will be inserted into your message. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba Satellite S875D-S7239 laptop OS MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit CPU AMD A10-4600M Motherboard AMD Pumori (Socket FT1) Memory 6.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD 7660G Sound Card High Definition Audio Device Monitor(s) Displays Generic PnP Monitor (1600x900@60Hz) Screen Resolution 1600x900@60Hz Keyboard Standard PS/2 Keyboard Mouse HP Wireless Optical Mobile Mouse Model FHA-3410 Hard Drives SSD 119GB Corsair CSSD-V128GB2 ATA Device Internet Speed What the local pub, local coffee shop offers. Other Info Optical Drive:MATSHITA BD-CMB UJ160B ATA Device
Also have an Asus ha1002xp netbook with Win 7 Ultimate installed. |
21 Jul 2011
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| | Win7 x 6 PC's 36,538 posts California, Florida, Boston |
Write the Windows 7 System boot Files to the Windows 7 partition which is accomplished by marking it Active then running Startup Repair - Run 3 Separate Times Partition - Mark as Active
Before running the Repairs I would unplug all other HD's, swap the DISK0 cable to Windows 7, make sure it is then set to boot first in BIOS setup.
A possible hitch is if the Windows 7 partition is Logical, which cannot be marked Active to write the System boot files upon. In that case you'll need to use free Partition Wizard bootable CD to rightclick Modify>Convert to Primary, OK, then rightclick Modify>Set to Active, OK. Next click on Windows 7 HD to highlight it, from Disk tab select Rebuild MBR which might preclude the need to run 3 Startup Repairs. | My System Specs | | |
07 Aug 2011
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| | Windows 7 Pro X64 24 posts |
First off, my apologies for not replying with the screen shots requested.
I ran a bunch of diagnostics on the drive and it showed it to be in good health and I forgot about this thread.
Unfrotunately, the suspect hard drive is now no longer recognized by the BIOS.
I followed the steps that gregrocker suggested to fix the MBR and it worked like a charm.
So that biggest issue is resolved.
I have another question is it possible for an amateur such as myself to recover data off a hard drive not recognized by the BIOS? | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Pro X64 CPU Intel e8400 @ 3.46 Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte EP43-DS3L Memory 2 x 2gb Patriot DDR2 800 Graphics Card ASUS Radeon 5770 Monitor(s) Displays 22" Hanns-g, 19" sony Keyboard Logitech Slim Illuminated Keyboard Mouse Logitech G3 PSU Antec Earthwatts 500w Case Azza Solano 1000R Cooling Zalman 9300AT, 1 X 120mm Fans 2 x 140mm, 2 x 230mm Hard Drives 750GB WD Caviar Black
250GB WD
250GB Seagate |
07 Aug 2011
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| | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE 6,804 posts Indian Territory |
The question is whether it is recognized by Windows? Even if it is not accessible, does it appear in the Device Manager? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
07 Aug 2011
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| | Windows 7 Enterprise x64 SP1 94 posts |
Recovering data from a drive can be (sometimes) described as a "gamble". If you really want to improve your chances of "winning", I'd say go to someone who does this for a living. Just to be on the safe side. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Enterprise x64 SP1 |
07 Aug 2011
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| | Win7 x 6 PC's 36,538 posts California, Florida, Boston |
If the HD isn't seen in BIOS or from Windows, then it likely won't respond to data recovery software. You can make one last attempt to see if it is seen by the maker's HD diagnostics/repair CD to run extended scan, or see if data is seen from Windows 7 DVD or Repair CD: Copy & Paste - in Windows Recovery Console Recuva - Features is good Data Recovery freeware. | My System Specs | | |
07 Aug 2011
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| | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE 6,804 posts Indian Territory |
Going to a professional is very expensive. If the data is critical, then that may be best, but there are other avenues quite a bit less expensive. The best that I know about is O&O Disk Recovery, but even it is not cheap ($99.95). You may find a freeware program that will do the job, but I don't know of any to recommend.
EDIT: MHDD can be very useful to diagnose the condition of the drive. Since you can make a CD containing it, you can boot to it, instead of Windows, and if it can see the files on the drive, then you have a good chance to recover them...but not with MHDD. http://hddguru.com/software/2005.10.02-MHDD/ | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
07 Aug 2011
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| | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 4,012 posts Australia |

Quote: Originally Posted by Sauronis I have another question is it possible for an amateur such as myself to recover data off a hard drive not recognized by the BIOS? The BIOS (Basic Input Output System) is the ground floor. If your BIOS or some other computer's BIOS can't read/recognize the HDD then you surely need to plug it into some specialized recovery equipment. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 Questions about the MBR problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:45 PM. | |