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Windows 7: Need to delete the Boot/system tools partition

19 Aug 2011   #1
ElectricRider

Windows 7 64bit Home Premium Enhanced
 
 
Need to delete the Boot/system tools partition

I see I have two partitions. Disk 1 is a small 99 MB partition with boot info and system info/tools whatever on it. Disk 2 is the main partition with Win 7 installed. I find myself needing another partition and since i can only have 4 Primary partitions, and windows is hogging 2 of them, i don't think this is fair and I want it back :-)

So er.. i want to merge disk 1 with disk 2 somehow and get the ability to create a new primary partition back.. Windows is of course already installed and currently, I'd rather not uninstall it if possible.. Is there a way to do this?


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19 Aug 2011   #2
seavixen32

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-Bit
 
 

One of Brink's tutorials is what you need: System Reserved Partition - Delete
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19 Aug 2011   #3
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

Hello.


Removing the Windows 7 System Reserved partition is a very bad idea, sometime OEM manufacturers place important data there, needed to restore the PC back to 'factory' settings if the need ever arises.

Start with a look through Method Two of this tutorial linked below for some information and post a snip of disk mamagement for us to look at for you and be sure to post back with any further questions you may have and to keep us informed.
Partition / Extended : Logical Drives

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Before we make any specific recommendations will you please post a snip/screen-shot of the entire Windows disk management drive map with a full description as to which drive/partition is which, so we can see what you have going on as there may be a fairly simple way to resolve the situation.

In the Windows start menu right click computer and click manage, in the left pane of the "Computer Management" window that opens click disk management and post a maximized snip of that.
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19 Aug 2011   #4
theog

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

ME/XP/Vista/Win7
 
 

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We always assume you have made your Recovery Disks using the OEM manufacturer's app the first day you had your new PC.
& made the Startup Repair CD
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First make your HP Recovery Disks.

How to make HP Recovery DVD disks:
Recover Windows Vista Operating System Using HP Recovery - HP Customer Care (United States - English)

How to make HP Recovery USB disk:
Creating a Recovery Disk on a USB Flash Disk HP Pavilion dv6700z CTO Entertainment Notebook PC - HP Customer Care (United States - English)

or
You can Order HP Recovery Disks from here:
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...dTypeId=321957
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19 Aug 2011   #5
ElectricRider

Windows 7 64bit Home Premium Enhanced
 
 

Thanks for the fast answers guys. I do have factory installed backups and also a new ghost type image from yesterday. if i have a big crash it's no big deal to reinstall.. BUT

The drive image was made with Windows Imaging built in tool. Since then I shrank the drive for windows 7 to make room for two more primary partitions. If I had a problem and had to reinstall, would I be able to image the system back to this now smaller partition?

Also.. assuming this does work with no problems.. I suppose I will have to make another ghost image.. because if I then use the one I made yesterday, it will want to put the system partition back in wouldn't it?

Oh yeah the size of this partition is 199 not 99 MB, it's using 35 MB's.


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19 Aug 2011   #6
gregrocker

 

Are the two 25gb Primary partitions empty as shown in listings?

It's possible one is the REcovery partition, so try making your Recovery Disks now per Theog's post to see if it generates the disks which means one of those partitions is Recovery and not marked as such.

Otherwise you can browse into the partitions using Disk Mgmt or free Partition Wizard bootable CD to see what is on them. If there is nothing, you can delete them and create a third partition which Disk mgmt will make Logical Extended so you can then add as many partitions as you want.

Partition Wizard should unhide the partition contents for you, but Disk mgmt may not so go Control Panel>Folder Options>View to unhide Hidden and System files to be sure.
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20 Aug 2011   #7
ElectricRider

Windows 7 64bit Home Premium Enhanced
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Are the two 25gb Primary partitions empty as shown in listings?

It's possible one is the REcovery partition, so try making your Recovery Disks now per Theog's post to see if it generates the disks which means one of those partitions is Recovery and not marked as such.

Otherwise you can browse into the partitions using Disk Mgmt or free Partition Wizard bootable CD to see what is on them. If there is nothing, you can delete them and create a third partition which Disk mgmt will make Logical Extended so you can then add as many partitions as you want.
I also use Partition Wizard, have since ver 5 and I like it much better than Disk Mgmt. I use the bootable CD version.

No, those are being incorrectly reported as empty. They contain a wonderful PC-BSD operating system, one called Hubble and the other called Isotope. ( shameless plug)

Thats why I need another partition. The trypes of OS's I install can only be used with primary partitions, not extended partitions.
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20 Aug 2011   #8
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ElectricRider View Post
Since then I shrank the drive for windows 7 to make room for two more primary partitions.
Just a thought...

Use Partition Wizard CD to change C-partition from primary to logical (full 182GB space per your screenshot). It's got 152GB free right now.

Then shrink it (also using PW) from 182GB to say 80GB.

That gives you free space for a new 100GB logical partition, just to the right of the C logical partition. Use PW to create the new logical partition in that space.

Win7 can be on a logical partition. Doesn't have to be on a primary partition.

Am I wrong? Anybody see a flaw in this plan? Perhaps Boot Manager (in System Partition) will need to be told about the fact that bootable Win7 is now in a logical partition, instead of the 2nd primary partition, but that seems doable.
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20 Aug 2011   #9
gregrocker

 

In that case I'd use PW CD to convert Win7 OS partition to Logical Extended, which will work since it is booting off the 199mb SysReserved partition. Any subsequent OS's installed to a Logical subpartition will likely place their boot files on SysReserved.

If Logical is not practical for the type of OS you want to install, then you can remove the Sys Reserved partition along with any OEM tools it may contain which you don't need if you are not relying on useless factory utilities and using the better versions built into Win7.

To remove the System Reserved partition, backup your files and save a backup image of it along with Win7 so you have a path back. Then delete it with PW CD, Resize Win7 into its space to take advantage of the lower address for faster read/writes, mark Win7 partition Active, boot the DVD Repair console or Repair CD to run Startup Repair - Run 3 Separate Times or until WIn7 starts on its own.

You can then shrink to make a fourth Primary partition using PW CD.
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20 Aug 2011   #10
ElectricRider

Windows 7 64bit Home Premium Enhanced
 
 

Is it possible to cheat even more, by using getting rid of the system primary partition, set up another primary for another os, create with some unused space in that an extended logical partition for windows 7? This would give me 4 primaries for other OS's besides windows which would be stuck off in an extended logicall connected to one of the primaries.

I have no reason to do that ATM, just want to know if that's possible because I may need it in the future.

Tell me more about the lower address space.. you mean the space the System partition is in now? It's going to be faster than the last 25 gig OS just because of where it is placed?

If this is the case, I may want to install Isotope in that slot because it is not as optimized as well as windows for speed, and I may get some performance gain.

You see, I have been using Windows since 3.1, Windows for workgroups and swore to myself I wanted to learn something new, (besides my adventures with Linux) so PC-BSD (Hubble and Isotope) got my vote and I really like it. I'm thinking of only using Win 7 for games and use the PC-BSD's for a while for all other things. but if would be nice if they were a lil faster.
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