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Windows 7: Installing numerous PCs from a master build - Is this possible

10 Oct 2011   #41
theog

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

ME/XP/Vista/Win7
 
 

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I build and sell PC's to small businesses.
As an OEM System Builder, you are being paid to build & support your builds.


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10 Oct 2011   #42
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Post 2,3,4,6, I have read again and see no misguiding information. They all give you ways of doing it and of course mentioned buying a Product key for each build. In your later post you find out you can't install all the operating system on different computers without a proper different Product key for each computer, which has been mentioned many times. You mentioned in one of your post that you wondered why Microsoft didn't put this little piece of information in the first part of the agreement instead of at the end. I think most of your problems mount to you not understanding the agreement with Microsoft that you need. I think using post #2 and a proper Builders License from Microsoft would guide you in the right direction. When you get the License agreement that you like and have problems come back and see us. We will help. Being a builder of computers for retail market you should have no problems sorting through a few post that don't quiet give you the information your looking for.
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10 Oct 2011   #43
w3a537

win 7 hp 64 bit
 
 

Well, posts as follows:

1. My initial question.

2. Good information.

3.a Wrong information, you cannot clone/image to dis-similar hardware,
as correctly stated in paragraph 9 of the link. You need to generalize
in some manner.

3.b Correct.

4. Wrong information, you cannot clone/image to dis-similar hardware, see 3.a.

5. My response to 4 which referrs to 3.a.

6. No, It's not a partitioning error I made, it was my incrrrect and failed
attempt to try to clone to dis-similar hardware.

7. I get an error when trying to view these links.

8. Another response I made.

9. Wrong information. There are PCs with the 100mb partition
and PCs without. I'm in the second class. And no I don't have
a hidden 100mm partition that I am not aware of.

What does this have to do with dis-similar hardware any?

10. I'm confused.

11. Good detect, Yes the TeraByte product does an image. See my
admission in 6.

12. Good information.

13. I didn't make these mistakes either.

14. End of story, failure to understand that I'm
looking for reliable help.

15. What is a SEVENFORUMS BUSINESS ACCOUT?
This still has not been answered.

16. Peace out, possibly asking me to quit asking for proper
information when I know for a fact that have recieved
some incorrect information.

17. SEVENFORUMS BUSINESS ACCOUNT question again.

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I understand that I need to be using the propr licenses.

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From here out this forum has been good.
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10 Oct 2011   #44
w3a537

win 7 hp 64 bit
 
 

Post 2,3,4,6, I have read again and see no misguiding information.
They all give you ways of doing it

You cannot IMAGE/CLONE to dis-similar hardware which is a lot of the things
I am being told to do in 2-6. You JUST CANNOT. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS.
Please see the other post.

and of course mentioned buying a Product key for each build. In your later post you
find out you can't install all the operating system on different computers without
a proper different Product key for each computer,

NEGATIVE NEGATIVE NEGATIVE

I didn't discover any such thing. I am asking for a way
to install a master to dis-similar hardware.

To state it another way, my question involves hardware and software.
Not licenses. I will properly license my PCs.

I fully intend to get the proper licenses.

The problem at this point is my question of HOW TO
perform a MASTER INSTALL and then I will properly
license it. I haven't even gotten to the license
installation yet.

My problem is dis-similar hardware and how to properly
and legally install things.

You seem to think, that PROPER LICENSES will
make it possible for me to install to dis-similar
hardware. THIS IS NOT TRUE. Sorry.

which has been mentioned many times. You mentioned in one of your post
that you wondered why Microsoft didn't put this little piece of information
in the first part of the agreement instead of at the end. I think most of your
problems mount to you not understanding the agreement with Microsoft that
you need.

What MS needed to do was to put the licensing first, before the install instructioins.

The alogrithm below (simplified) is not a good one, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

1, MS is not reresponsible ...
2, Perform step 1.
3, Perform step 2.
4, Perform step 3.
5, Perform step 4.
6, Only a type AA license is acceptable for this procedure.
If you have any other license type then you may not
finish. Steps 2-5 have been a waste of time for you.

A better aloghrighm follows ...

1, MS is not reresponsible ...
2, You need a type AA license, if you need one please purchase it before continuing.
3, Perform step 1.
4, Perform step 2.
5, Perform step 3.
6, Perform step 4.

Congradulations you are finished.

I think using post #2 and a proper Builders License from Microsoft
would guide you in the right direction. When you get the License
agreement that you like and have problems come back and see us.

Why do you continue to beat on this license thing.
My first post stated clearly (please read) that I
wanted help with dis-similar hardware.

We will help. Being a builder of computers for retail market you
should have no problems sorting through a few post that don't
quiet give you the information your looking for.

Sorry but you have totally mis-understood the issue, repeatidly, repeatidly.
And nobody else has stepped clarify my question.
I will continue in this forum until things get straightened out.
Or you people may just telly me to go away.

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Could someone else please step in and put this
thread back on proper course?

Thank you all, Steve Broshears ...

PS, I thought this might be a language issue but you seem to be in OHIO.

PS, I took 2 hours to write my initial post and I don't think it is confusing.

Steve ...
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10 Oct 2011   #45
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by w3a537 View Post
You cannot IMAGE/CLONE to dis-similar hardware which is a lot of the things. I am being told to do in 2-6. You JUST CANNOT. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS. Please see the other post.
One of the benefits to the way Microsoft has re-written the driver model of the OS (since Vista) and changed sysprep is so you *can* clone to dissimilar hardware. You just have to do it right (JIT driver injection, build your template machine into a VM, use Microsoft's tools to capture/distribute the OS, etc.). If you don't do it right, you can (and likely will) end up with an OS that doesn't work once re-applied to other hardware (especially older imaging/driver management tools designed around XP - these always seem to break imaging, and they're just not necessary anymore). Also, you *will* need to re-activate the OS, and provide a valid product key, no matter what type of OS it is.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by w3a537 View Post
I am asking for a way to install a master to dis-similar hardware. To state it another way, my question involves hardware and software. Not licenses. I will properly license my PCs.
Anything that requires a driver to survive sysprep will require you to do things a very specific way (persistalldeviceinstalls). I don't know for sure what specifics you're trying to achieve here (if anything - again, it's still not 100% clear what you are and aren't doing, and what specifically your issues are. If I missed them in a previous post, I do apologize.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by w3a537 View Post
The problem at this point is my question of HOW TO perform a MASTER INSTALL and then I will properly license it. I haven't even gotten to the license installation yet. My problem is dis-similar hardware and how to properly and legally install things.
This can be done, but it's not as simple as install, inject a gigantic driver pack, sysprep, and reboot anymore - nor should it be. If you're comfortable with XP imaging, you're in for a somewhat rude awakening (especially if you skipped Vista at all), unfortunately - things have changed (for the better, but you'll have a learning curve).
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by w3a537 View Post
Could someone else please step in and put this thread back on proper course?
Be careful with your attitude - folks are trying to help, and in reading this thread, I came to the same sorts of conclusions others did about what was and wasn't working until I read between the lines. I can help, but you need to calm down a bit. You're probably a little (or a lot) frustrated, and I can empathise, but you have to keep a level head if and when possible, especially on the internet .
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10 Oct 2011   #46
w3a537

win 7 hp 64 bit
 
 

Please re-read my first post.

Please note that in my initial post I stated that
I would supply all the necessary licenses.

Is true (factual), Steve...

Do it right, certainly. In my first post I asked you people "how do I do this"?
This applies several times.

I have stated that what I am asking for is good (correct) information.

I have tried to enhance my explination several times

Please re-read my initial post as a starting point.

How did this thread get this way?

Steve Broshears ...
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10 Oct 2011   #47
win7clutz

Windows 7 Ultimate (64)
 
 

I know Iím going to get smacked for this but you might consider an attempt to sharpen your own skill set before selling your services. Not understanding system prep, how Win7 partitions your drives, or removing drivers from your image file suggest that you may be somewhat in over your head. These are all very basic concepts and hardly something that requires MS Support, or for that matter, SevenForums support. There are great people here willing to help you, but remember they are offering their support free, youíre not purchasing it. So a little appreciation and a little less aggressiveness goes a long way here.
Best Regards:
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10 Oct 2011   #48
gregrocker

 

Couldn't have said it better. No clutz are you.
Steve, I never thought you were planning to run afoul on licenses and never thought OEM partner was at all an option here, so I sought to clarify that you are planning to use retail licenses and that your best approach is to use SysPrep.

Carl may have a better solution from which we can all learn as he is one of the top teachers we have here.
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10 Oct 2011   #49
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by w3a537 View Post
How did this thread get this way?
Good question. However, I did re-read your first post, and it's just not thick on the details. However, instead of beat you up on it, I'll just answer the questions you posed in order, and wait for your response:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by w3a537 View Post
Is this possible? How?
Yes, indeed. If you're doing onesie-twosie customer installs (rather than gigantic enterprise rollouts), I recommend using MDT for this.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by w3a537 View Post
I've seen a few references to commercial software that does this. Recommendations?
There are software packages (like Macrium and Acronis) that do this, but they are in the mold of backup/disaster recovery imaging, rather than business rollout image maintenance. Also, given the way they work, they can sometimes have issues with imaging to dissimilar hardware from the original source, keeping the image updated, etc. Make no mistake that there's nothing wrong with either of those software packages, but they really are designed for home use or business disaster recovery (and have to be licensed as such if you do - very expensive per seat that way), rather than a more business scenario (images to put on multiple machines, keeping the image updated easily, etc). I still suggest MDT for this. It's free, uses Microsoft's tools, is supported (officially) by Microsoft, and the tool is not that difficult to use and understand once you take the time to learn it.
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10 Oct 2011   #50
w3a537

win 7 hp 64 bit
 
 

And I came here to ask you people for help in sharpening my skills.

One more thing, I am a retired mainframe system manager.

Before this next subject comes into question, I have always understood
cloning and imaging to be as described in the following link.

Disk cloning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks, Steve ...
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