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Windows 7: 100 Mb Boot Partition

07 Mar 2012   #1
IcarusII

W7 Home Prem, Vista home Prem
 
 
100 Mb Boot Partition

Hi guys,

Just a quick question i hope. About 2 years ago or so (maybee less I lose track) I came here for advice in setting up this computer im on in the first place. Greg and Barefootkid were particularly helpful to me (so thanks guys).

There was a lot of chatter between Greg and Barefoot kid about the 100Mb boot partition and a few posts ive read recently seem to indicate you dont need it anymore if your not running ultimate.

My current setup is thus (and hasnt changed since all the advice). Note i never did get around to using the unallocated space lol:

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So whats the latest thinking on the 100Mb and as ill be doing a clean install tomorrow on brand new hardware I would like to get it right first time so I can image off a nice happy install.

OS will being going onto a 128Gb SSD and i pretty much wont have anything else on it

Ta guys




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07 Mar 2012   #2
gregrocker

 

My opinion about it now is that I wouldn't waste any time taking steps to avoid it, especially if you use WIn7 backup imaging. Some other imaging apps may have trouble with it - you should know by now how it works with yours.

Easiest way to avoid it with your config is to power down to unplug Disk0 to plug in the SSD, use Disk Mgmt to Create and format one large partition. Then power down to unplug Disk1 for booted Install to SSD alone: Clean Install Windows 7

Others may want to share their experiences.
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07 Mar 2012   #3
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

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It's easily avoided using Diskpart early in the installation. Make your partitions with Diskpart, rather than letting the installation disk make the partitions a bit later on.

It doesn't really matter for most users if you keep it or not. As I recall, it's needed for Bitlocker if you happen to need that capability.

If you keep the System Reserved partition, it would have to be imaged if you use an imaging program to back up your system.

I chose to avoid it in order to keep all system files on a single partition and because keeping it offends my sense of order, being somewhat obsessive/compulsive.
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08 Mar 2012   #4
IcarusII

W7 Home Prem, Vista home Prem
 
 

I think this is my issue too. It annoys me that it created this 100Mb boot partition without actually asking you if you want it. Then I have to remember to image it.

Oh the horror!

So I will do my best, when im installing into may new machine later today (if the damn thing actually POST's) to follow the diskpart instructions to end up with no 100 Mb partition.

Wish me luck

Matt
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08 Mar 2012   #5
AddRAM

Windows 7 Professional x64 Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by IcarusII View Post
I think this is my issue too. It annoys me that it created this 100Mb boot partition without actually asking you if you want it. Then I have to remember to image it.

Oh the horror!

So I will do my best, when im installing into may new machine later today (if the damn thing actually POST's) to follow the diskpart instructions to end up with no 100 Mb partition.

Wish me luck

Matt
It will be included in the image process if you use windows to make your images. I use the Partiton Wizard Bootable CD ( recommended by Greg ) to mark the install partition active, and it does not create the system reserve partition. Everything goes on the C: drive
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08 Mar 2012   #6
gregrocker

 

You should unplug the DISK0 data drive to install, and should have SSD in DISK0 slot anyway.

So plug SSD into Disk0, boot into Windows on Disk1 and format the SSD in Disk Management.

Then when ready to boot installer to install to SSD, first unplug the Win7 HD on DISK1.

After install you can plug back in the HD to access it's data, or boot it using one-time BIOS Boot Menu key.

Why do you ignore these easy steps to avoid 100mb given earlier?
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08 Mar 2012   #7
IcarusII

W7 Home Prem, Vista home Prem
 
 

Greg,

Im not ignoring anything - I havent done anything yet! Im still builind my new system as I had to leave the house unexpectedly so im way behind.

My current intention is to get the new system to post with its new mobo, cpu, gpu and the SSD. At least i should be able to get to bios and have a look round if it posts. Ive never seen the new style bios before shipping with the mobo i have (Asus P8Z68-V Gen3)

Once posted I intend to install W7 straight onto the SSD. I have no other HDD's to plug in right now. They are in the machine im typing from and I want access to forums incase things go haywire.

1) I dont use windows backup imaging. I didnt think Windows HP 64bit could do disc images?

2) I used to use Macrium Reflect (but when life got busy i totally got out the habbit of regular imaging). I currently have a trial of Acronis too. Most folks here seem to find Macrium reflect just great tho right?

3) Given use of Macrium, i would prefer that i can just image one partition and thats that. So ideally would not want the 100Mb partition around.

That all said, from the advice above (which im honestly not ignoring) i cant go into windows to format and partition the SSD (because i dont have a HDD with windows on it in the new machine). So i need to format the SSD before i install W7 to it using another utility? i think. My understanding is that this is the Discpart utility by inserting the windows CD - going to repair and then the command prompt?

Is there another option aside from using diskpart?

Im sorry if ive got the wrong end of the stick here Greg. Im trying to pick this up as fast as I can.

Matt
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08 Mar 2012   #8
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

You access Diskpart by booting from the Windows disk and then hitting Shift F10 at the screen where you are asked for your language preference. That will drop you into a command prompt. You then enter the appropriate commands into the command prompt.

When you exit Diskpart, you are dropped right back into the Windows installation.

When you then come to the partition choice section, you direct the Windows installation to the partition you just made in Diskpart.

Windows Home Premium 64 bit DOES include imaging, but it is a bit cranky and non-intuitive. That's why many here use Macrium instead.
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08 Mar 2012   #9
gregrocker

 

OK now I understand your screenshot posted earlier isn't relevant. Sorry.

Of the two mentioned I would use Acronis which always works for me. But you could also use Win7 backup imaging which is built into all versions of Win7 except Starter and uses the Win7 DVD or Repair CD for reimaging. Backup Complete Computer - Create an Image Backup
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09 Mar 2012   #10
IcarusII

W7 Home Prem, Vista home Prem
 
 

Greg,

Im really sorry. Now I understand your confusion with my screen snip. Your right - thats not the system im building - thats the one I have. My bad.

Thanks for all the advice.

Interesting that you suggest acronis over macrium. Any particular reasons?
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