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Windows 7: Windows Genuine Issue

22 Apr 2012   #21
Microsoft MVP


I did not mean to say MS requires the OEM to support both bit versions, only that an OEM cannot override the provision in the EULA which allows use of either bit version with each license. MS will always back the end-user on this at reactivation, which is why it's best to use the Product Key on COA sticker and not reimport the factory SLP mass-activation. Transferring activation to MS servers gives you access to the same activation process by which retail end-users are served, including phone activation.

Sleep well.

My System SpecsSystem Spec
25 Apr 2012   #22

Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit

Thanks, greg. I have recovered but still many other constraints prohibit my presence in SevenForums more than five to ten minutes a day. I just peep in and go away.

Getting on,

The OEM does not override any provisions. Microsoft is very clear that the end user can use only one version and on only one computer. In compliance with this, the OEMS – who preinstall the OS on the machines they sell (MS does not sell the hardware) install only one version. The user opts for that one version either 32 bit or 64 bit at the time of purchase.

The user with a valid OEM SLIC on his machine can do a clean install as well as changeover from 32 bit to 64 bit and viceversa retaining the OEM-SLP with the advantage of off-line activation – anytime, any number of times, at any frequency, no phone needed, no internet connection needed.

By no stretch of imagination can this be called piracy. In return to the offline activation feature bestowed on the Royalty OEMs, Microsoft ordains that every machine sold by them with the Microsoft OS, should be protected against casual piracy and hence the OEM SLIC built into the hardware.

It will be illegal only if one uses offline activation on a machine not having a valid OEM SLIC by manipulating the machine by any means. Analogy: A knife can be used to cut the vegetables. It can also be used to slit one’s throat. The former is legal and the latter illegal. It is the action that is legal or illegal. We do not ban the knife merely because it can be used to do illegal acts.

(These are the results of my past three months research on this issue. Nowhere have I found that mentioned as illegal. On the contrary, I can refer atleast four threads mentioning it - backing up and restoring OEM activation - in the official Microsoft Forums (for clean install/changing 32bit to 64bit version and viceversa), where members are forbidden to write anything that contravenes Microsoft’s Licencing Policy or anything that promotes piracy of MS Software.)

It is not necessary to change to the bothersome COA-SLP activation. On this in my next post. (I easily get tired writing long posts.)
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Apr 2012   #23

Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit

On COA-SLP key:

"B) COA SLP: This is the Product key that you see on the sticker on the side (or bottom,[ or inside the battery compartment]) of your computer. It is a valid product key, but should only be used in limited situations (such as if the OEM SLP key stops self-activating for whatever reason). The key must be activated by Phone. (Note: All manufacturers that use the OEM SLP system are required by contract to include a Certificate of Authenticity (COA) sticker, that has a COA SLP key, on the computer)"

The above statement is often repeated in the official Microsoft Forums. Microsoft in all goodness provides a backup COA-SLP key to enable genuine users who bought their OS through the OEM channel to retain ownership in contingent situations as mentioned - such as if the OEM SLP key stops self-activating for whatever reason.It will therefore be prudent on the part of the users to keep it reserved only for such situations.

What can happen when one uses it indiscriminately in other situations where OEM-SLP still selfactivates ?

Microsoft having issued thousands and thousands of COA-SLP keys to the OEMs and keeping its specific intent in mind, may expect only a certain percentage ( say 5%) to come in for COA-SLP activation.

When the number of COA-SLP activations increase beyond that limit, a red flag will be raised and Microsoft will have reasons to believe that it is being used to pirate for use with unlicensed software. Scrutiny can get tighter and/or it can also stop COA-SLP activations altogether. Yes, an alternate will be given but that may put all genuine users into unnecessary botheration, revalidating the OS again. ( Remember, citing piracy concerns Microsoft stopped online activations of COA-OEM keys back in the XP years and then introduced SLP)

There is another reason – apart from the fact that having purchased the OS from the OEM, the genuine enduser is entitled to use the painless offline activation on his genuine machine.

SLP ( now in version 2.1) effectively "locks" the operating system to the qualified motherboard. In spite of Microsoft’s continuing efforts to thwart piracy, pirates always go one step further and thwart its efforts. While it will be easy for Microsoft to withdraw COA-SLP activations, it will not be so easy or practical to nullify the OEM-SLP keys since millions of machines and users will be affected instantly. So effectively the genuine user is more secure with OEM-SLP activations than with COA-SLP activations.

As far as putting yourself under the control of the Microsoft Activation servers and the Phone activation I had already mentioned the perils involved in many posts and do not want to repeat them in detail.

Just have a look at this thread.

A retail key – no other machine using it and the user trying to use it only on one machine – goes to phone activation – The man at the other end says the user had used it on three machines or he had already activated it thrice or something to that effect and refuses activation – Our Noel DP advises "all seems to be Ok. Try again" – Now another man at the other end – says nothing and activates it.

You may draw your own conclusions. (I would rather stay with OEM-SLP activation rather than subjecting myself even by chance to such tensions. Quite clearly an avoidable situation.)
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Apr 2012   #24

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1

I may be misreading, but I don't agree with one of your points on the COA SLP. I use that key anytime I do a clean install on any OEM system, and have never once had to phone in the activation.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Apr 2012   #25
Microsoft MVP


Are you referring to the Product Key on COA sticker, Deacon? I also rarely have had to activate it by phone and then it is only a robocall to trade the series of numbers which update the Hardware signature in MS Servers.

There are some cases where backing up the factory SLP activation is necessary such as when the Product Key is worn off of the COA sticker. There have been two of these lately. However we need to be mindful that the Admins do not want this method supported here.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Apr 2012   #26

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1

Yes, the one on the COA sticker. I've never had an issue activating those keys online.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
27 Apr 2012   #27

Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
I may be misreading, but I don't agree with one of your points on the COA SLP. I use that key anytime I do a clean install on any OEM system, and have never once had to phone in the activation.
I am already aware of the situation.

Even gregrocker reported it in his post #25 here . "I used a Dell OEM key from the COA sticker today to Reinstall Windows 7 which had previously been Factory SLP activated and it required no phone activation."

And then in this very thread (again post #25 ) he states "I also rarely have had to activate it by phone and then it is only a robocall to trade the series of numbers which update the Hardware signature in MS Servers." That would mean occasionally he had to make robocalls and the number crunching.

In this Forum itself as also in the Microsoft Forums we encounter " don't choose any option and wait for an opertaor to respond" on how to activate the COA-SLP on phone i.e., phone activation is recommended.

An user may encounter any of the three situations. 1.Activation may go through online. 2. a robo call may be required 3. a manual phone activation may be required.(as I understand by the above three experiences.)

There is no authentic information from Microsoft on how the COA-SLP activation will go. So I would maintain that an user enters into a dark alley as compared to the definite, anytime and 100% sureshot OEM-SLP offline activation.( I am only talking about genuine users with a genuine OEM machine that will autoactivate.)

I also do not discount the possibility that Microsoft may have some specific norms for different regions depending upon the prevalent piracy in different regions. When an actvation call comes it does know from which region it originates and may route the process accordingly.

I have already mentioned that I have plans to carry out the COA-SLP activations trial on a planned schedule that will include a daily activation attempt after a clean install. The only constraint is time but I am determined to do it.
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