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Windows 7: Advice re Win7 x64 installation problem on Dell T5400


22 May 2012   #1

MS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
 
 
Advice re Win7 x64 installation problem on Dell T5400

Hi there,

I've got a problem and was hoping to find some advice here.

I have a Dell T5400 that has Vista x32 running and I wanted to upgrade to Windows 7 x64 to make use of increased RAM.

First I tried to do a clean install of Windows 7 from DVD. This did not work as I got the missing cd/dvd driver error when trying to get through the installation.
So I've tried to make a bootable USB but whenever I get to the step when I run the bootsect.exe it says access denied.

I was pretty sure the DVD is working so I installed Windows 7 from within the Vista OS onto a separate HDD. No problems whatsoever.

I can now decide to use either Vista or Windows 7 when I boot up. Both work.
However Windows 7 is now on F: and Vista still on C:

I removed the Vista HDD to see if I can get just Windows 7 working but it comes up with the message that Bootmgr is missing so cant access Windows 7 alone.
I tried using the DVD to repair the install. It does recognize the Windows 7 but it didnt fix the bootmgr problem.

I couldn't find any drivers for Windows 7 for the T5400 on the dell website either, only Vista.

So now I'm not sure where to best go from here.
I have 3 HDDs in the computer and I only really want/need one OS.
Ideally I wanted to use the 160gb WD Raptor for the OS/Apps and then use the 2 1TB Hitachi in Raid 1.
The Windows 7 installation is on the newly formatted WD Raptor whereas Vista is on one of the 2 Hitachi in a big partition. So thats not overly convenient for me.

What would be the best way for me to get either a new clean install in the above mentioned format or to fix up the existing working Windows 7? Any advice is appreciated

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22 May 2012   #2

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

Hello Unterberg Welcome to the Seven Forums!

I can start off here explaining just why 7 won't load up by simply stating the 7 boot entries as well as the shared BCD store containing the boot entries for both versions are on C! Once you removed the Vista boot drive from the equation you now have to build a new BCD store which isn't quite what you are looking for to make the F drive bootable on it's own. MBR - Restore Windows 7 Master Boot Record

The fast way to deal with replacing the factory preinstall of Vista x86 is either reformat C with the drive tools available on the 7 dvd when first starting up the Windows installer there. Or you could use a drive partitioning tool to remove C only not the hidden recovery partition however in case you want to go back to Vista later in order to see a totally fresh new C primary to work with.

Either way with the Vista preinstall removed you are now ready to follow the clean install instructions for seeing 7 go onto the C primary. Clean Install Windows 7

In fact you could go one step further and see SP1 and MS updates included as well. Slipstream Windows 7 SP1 into a Installation DVD or ISO File
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22 May 2012   #3
Microsoft MVP

 

Please plug back in both HD's and post back a screenshot of your maximized Disk Management drive map with listings, using Snipping Tool in Start Menu.

The CD/DVD driver error means a bad installer. Did you burn it yourself? Confirm the ISO and burn another using ImgBurn at 4x speed, or write to flash stick using Universal USB Installer.

When you installed Windows 7 from Vista it locked out the C letter so Windows 7 will not see itself as C when booted as it will when correctly installed from boot with all other HD's unplugged.

If you want to repair Windows 7, unplug Vista HD, set Windows 7 HD first to boot in BIOS setup, Mark Win7 Partition Active then run Startup Repair - Run 3 Separate Times.
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23 May 2012   #4

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

He's running the 64bit 7 so cancel the ImgBurn idea! Passcape ISO Burner is an updated free program for burning to disk or creating a bootable USB Install Key with a flash drive.

You actually have three options as far as what you want to see done.
1)You can repair the 7 boot information and files and run a dual boot leaving the OEM Vista install intact.
2)You could repair the 7 boot sector and remove the OEM drive entirely leaving only the drive 7 is on.
3)Or totall wipe the Vista installation off completely and then put a clean install of 7 on that drive leaving the other in for storage and backup.

If you are going to run 7 then it would be the choice of which drive you want to run 7 on. Since you originally intended to replace Vista with 7 you would have to had run the setup while booted in Vista seeing the custom install of 7 over on the wrong drive rather then having selected the upgrade option to replace the copy of Vista.

Just remember to boot live from the 7 dvd once the Vista drive is reformatted or reparitioned if you plan to remove the hidden recovery partition as well.
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23 May 2012   #5

Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
He's running the 64bit 7 so cancel the ImgBurn idea! Passcape ISO Burner is an updated free program for burning to disk or creating a bootable USB Install Key with a flash drive..........
Hi Night Hawk,

Passcape ISO Burner looked promising, but when I tried to create bootable USB pendrive with Windows 7 Home Premium ISO and also Ultimate 32bit ISO, it failed to. ( Ran it as Administrator too ! ) I only get the following error message.

Advice re Win7 x64 installation problem on Dell T5400-pscapetrial.jpg

When I click on continue anyway, the final outcome is just one readme file in the drive which states "This disc contains a "UDF" file system and requires an operating system that supports the ISO-13346 "UDF" file system specification."

( I have used both the ISOs to create bootable pendrives using Rufus and only a day before win7 32-bit Via USB.. )

Have you tried the Passcape program to create a bootable Windows 7 install pendrive?


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23 May 2012   #6

MS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
 
 

Thanks for all your help.

I managed to prevail but not 100% on exactly how it all worked out.

I simply tried to repair the Windows 7 a couple of times as I've only done it once. Back in Windows 7 I could now actually see the Windows 7 partition as active and boot. That allowed me to format the Vista HDD which I couldn't do before.
I was worried that the DVD would not work again for a clean install so I tried to make a bootable USB but again I failed on the cmd process when it comes to the bootsect.exe step as I get access denied error. Anyway I just copied the files from the DVD over to the USB hoping it might do the trick.
I then tried a clean install of Windows 7 from the DVD. Yay! Worked like a treat this time.
Its now on C: and starts up in 4s. Goodbye Vista.
My next step is to update BIOS and drivers including the Intel Matrix Manager driver so that I can get the 2x 1Tb Hitachi in Raid 1 which should be possible post-OS install.
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23 May 2012   #7
Microsoft MVP

 

What you're looking for is System flag to know that Windows 7 has its System boot files, not just the Active flag which tells Repair where to write or repair them, or boot which only means that's the OS you're booted into at the time.

If you'll post back a screenshot of your maximized Disk mgmt drive map and listings we can look it over for you.

I gave you the tool which works best to write Windows 7 ISO to flash stick. I've never heard of anyone having problems with ImgBurn no matter what the bit version.

Plug in the external to see if it loads the driver as it should in Windows 7. First enable Automatically get recommended drivers and updates for your hardware. Check repeatedly for newer drivers while doing the Updates.

Look over these steps for Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7 which also outline best practices for getting a perfect reinstall for retail as well.
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23 May 2012   #8

MS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
 
 

Thanks very much.
I think its flagged as system as well. I'll post a screenshot when I get home from work. I will make a bootable USB as well just to have as a backup.

Getting the drivers automatically sounds good. Saves me from getting them.
Should I still update the BIOS? I'd have to do that manually right?

I'll go through the Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7 and make a recovery once I have updated everything and installed the software.

Regarding Raid setup - Would it be just as easy to setup raid in Windows rather than hardware? I basically just wanted that extra bit of piece of mind for my photos in case one of the older Hitachi dies.
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23 May 2012   #9
Microsoft MVP

 

As long as the BIOS update can be run from within Windows 7, I always do them if available. Just be extra careful in following the instructions and allowing no distractions.

I do not use RAID which is more trouble than it's worth IMO. I'd use the other HD for image backups done manually by typing Backup in start search box, or scheduled if you feel better having it automated. I don't like all the bloat in the file backup program so I just drag User folders to storage or to my Skydrive folder which immediately uploads them to MS Skydrive free servers and then sync's the ones I want with my other machines.
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23 May 2012   #10

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8.1 Preview VM - 7 Pro x64 second remote tower
 
 

Glad to hear things worked for you! Unterberg

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jumanji View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
He's running the 64bit 7 so cancel the ImgBurn idea! Passcape ISO Burner is an updated free program for burning to disk or creating a bootable USB Install Key with a flash drive..........
Hi Night Hawk,

Passcape ISO Burner looked promising, but when I tried to create bootable USB pendrive with Windows 7 Home Premium ISO and also Ultimate 32bit ISO, it failed to. ( Ran it as Administrator too ! ) I only get the following error message.

Attachment 213140

When I click on continue anyway, the final outcome is just one readme file in the drive which states "This disc contains a "UDF" file system and requires an operating system that supports the ISO-13346 "UDF" file system specification."

( I have used both the ISOs to create bootable pendrives using Rufus and only a day before win7 32-bit Via USB.. )

Have you tried the Passcape program to create a bootable Windows 7 install pendrive?
I used the Passcape program there for burning the SP1 slipstreamed iso created with the RT 7 Lite and found that reliable. The usb keys I use another program entirely for those while the Passcape won't work for anything other then Windows Install keys.
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