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Windows 7: have Windows 7 on C: and trying to install XP Pro onto D:

15 Aug 2012   #11
gregrocker

 

You may need an XP retail installer if this XP is not native to the PC. I don't know a lot about commercial XP but it's normally either a retail or OEM install and with XP it requires the corresponding installer (with SP3).

Check the condition of the disk. It may be too old, scratched or dirty. Clean it if in doubt, obtain another ISO for the correct distribution.

What is the flash stick that's plugged into Disk3? Is this an XP installer? That could be the problem. Rewrite it using Win2flash if so. Win2Flash USB video tutorial

If not then unplug it as all other HD's and periperherals should always be during an install.


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15 Aug 2012   #12
Maddog59

Win 7
 
 

I should have also mentioned that before I bought the computer, I spoke to a gent from HP Pre-Sales in the UK. He advised me that although HP only officially support Win7, there are a LOT of business customers that still want XP installed, and that unofficially HP can supply computers pre-loaded with XP. I informed him of my intentions and he indicated if I installed the same XP as on my previous computer, then I should not have any problems.

As I was able to get a successful install using this CD when I had set the BIOS to IDE, but now cannot get a successful install, it seems unlikely the CD is bad. I'll get hold of a Retail version of XP from the office (I'm sure they're lying around somewhere) and try the slipstreaming with that if I don't have any success with the other ideas.

I'll let you know how I get on, either when something works, or when I've exhausted all these ideas. It's now after 9pm in the UK, and after a couple of 2am nights, I can't be too late tonight, so I may not get back to you until tomorrow.

Thanks for your input thus far.

Andrew
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15 Aug 2012   #13
gregrocker

 

If you can install in IDE mode but that doesn't match the WIn7 SATA controller setting at AHCI, then boot into BIOS to temporarily change it to IDE, install XP as you did before.

Then after it installs, starts up and is performing OK follow these steps to Enable AHCI in Windows XP After Installation - Bootbeta

MS has taken the link down to do this so I had to go find this one by browsing into an old image of Win7 from 2009 to my Firefox bookmarks file.
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15 Aug 2012   #14
Maddog59

Win 7
 
 

Sorry gregrocker, the USB device is just what I was using to copy the image of the Disk Manager from the new computer to another computer I using to write this. It hasn't been used at all for any of the installations.

The commercial licenses are just that - a software license - I'm not even sure a disk of the retail version of XP came with the licenses. As I recall an IT guy we used some time ago, left us with an original disk one day that we hung onto.

Both the OEM CD and the slipstreamed CD are in good condition. The OEM disk was used because the HP guy indicated it should work, I know that actual disk has done successful installs before, it is in good condition, but most importantly, it was the easiest of the XP disks to find.
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15 Aug 2012   #15
gregrocker

 

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong as I'm growing rusty on this but an XP OEM installer is meant only to reinstall the OS on a factory OEM XP pre-install.

For what you want to do I'm pretty sure you'll need a retail XP installer and key.

If you have an Enterprise version key intended for commercial use then that requires activation by the IT dept and would use it's specific installer. I am not exactly sure if it's retail or OEM or has an Enterprise SKU requiring a separate installer for that distribution.
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15 Aug 2012   #16
Maddog59

Win 7
 
 

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If you can install in IDE mode but that doesn't match the WIn7 SATA controller setting at AHCI, then boot into BIOS to temporarily change it to IDE, install XP as you did before.

Then after it installs, starts up and is performing OK follow these steps...
gregrocker, when I tried this last time, the Device Manager did not show a SATA controller. I can't remember specifically what was shown there, but I'm pretty sure it was IDE something or other.

The net result is there was no opportunity to update the SATA driver, and when I changed the BIOS back to AHCI, it wouldn't boot to XP. In fact, as I had not fixed up the Boot Manager, it wouldn't boot, so I had to use the Win7 Repair Disk.

As I wrote the last paragraph, I had an idea......
If instead of the Win 7 Repair Disk, I slipstreamed the SATA drivers into a copy of XP Repair Disk (I have these from my old computer) and used that to boot to XP - would that work or is it too complex and likely to result in even more headaches? Possibly the latter I suspect?
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15 Aug 2012   #17
gregrocker

 

What XP REpair disk? As I recall XP repairs are done from the installer CD. So a Repair Install would probably gain you no more than a reinstall, although you can try it.

When you installed in IDE mode, were you able to activate with no problems on that new hardware? This is the only way I can see to verify your installer is usable on this new hardware if some type of Enterprise SKU.

But if you were able to install in IDE mode then the problem may not be the installer SKU. The AHCI driver may not want to work on the newer hardware. This is a problem with XP now.
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15 Aug 2012   #18
Maddog59

Win 7
 
 

Re OEM installer: the HP guy indicated this should not be a problem using HP OEM disks, although he said to make sure all drivers were updated after the install.

re Licenses: to the best of my knowledge (but it is quite possible I'm wrong) we have usually used OEM installs and simply allocated the license number to that computer. I believe this is a fairly common method IT guys use when supplying a quantity of setup computers to SMEs. All our computers (since 1997) have been HP (and they have generally been very reliable) although (since say 2003) not all of them were bought with XP installed - which is why we obtained a commercial license). I'm fairly sure that on at least one occasion the retail disk was used with one of the licenses.

I'll try to clarify that tomorrow, although hopefully I will get the problem resolved before I get that far.
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15 Aug 2012   #19
Maddog59

Win 7
 
 

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What XP REpair disk? As I recall XP repairs are done from the installer CD. So a Repair Install would probably gain you no more than a reinstall, although you can try it.
Since XP (and possibly Win2K) HP have not included an XP installation disk with their computers. They come pre-loaded with the O/S and have a Recovery Partition (usually D. An HP app (HP Backup & Recovery Manager) can be used to make a set of Recovery Disks using the files on the recovery partition. Once the disks have been generated, the Recovery Partition can be deleted as the Recovery Disks can only be generated once (there is a fairly easy workaround for this). Backup disks of a snapshot of your system can also be generated with this app.

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When you installed in IDE mode, were you able to activate with no problems on that new hardware?
Because it used the HP disks and was an XP 'Professional' installation, it did not require activation. The installation was fully operational, other than after booting in IDE mode, it would not show the AHCI controller in Device Manager

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But if you were able to install in IDE mode then the problem may not be the installer SKU.
I was able to successfully install the HP OEM version onto an HP computer, so this is not the problem.

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The AHCI driver may not want to work on the newer hardware.
This is potentially the problem. I am relying on what are probably generic drivers, and which could potentially stall the re-start of the computer during XP installation.

As I have previously stated, drivers found on the Intel and HP websites are either setup for installation onto FDDs (using an installer manger - so unless it detects a FDD on your system, you cannot start it to extract the .sys files), or are self-installing .exe files that will only install if they detect a SATA controller, and I can't boot in SATA mode, so these files haven't worked for me.

If you are able to point me to specific drivers for the Intel H61 chipset (which my computer appears to have), then I can try slipstreaming them into my XP disk.

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This is a problem with XP now.
No, I think it is specifically NOT a problem with XP. XP has been installed successfully. I think the problem is with the drivers, or with something I have inadvertently changed in the BIOS or boot record of the HDD. I'll try out the ideas you offered earlier, but if you are able to find more suitable drivers than the ones I have found thus far, then that may possibly not cause the re-start to fail.
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15 Aug 2012   #20
NoelDP

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM)/Win10
 
 

With XPSP3 CD's, both Home and pro have Default Keys available - I would suggest trying the Default Key for installation, and then changing afterwards (it may be that the OEM Key is triggering a boot from partition 1 by default, rather than the partition to which you've actually installed the OS)

Since you appear to have an external partition management tool, try this.
Create your drive D: as NTFS - AND MAKE IT ACTIVE
Now hide both the System reserved, and the Win7 partitions.
Now see whether the install works.
If not, don't delete the partition, but get Win7 functional again, and boot to it, then look for the boot.ini file in XP - post the content in your reply.
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