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Windows 7: Is there a way to load and run Win7 from D:

13 May 2013   #21
sigma6

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OK, I will show you my "miracle set up" (lol) but just to respond... that's just it, when XP booted up (note: to avoid confusion, we are talking about the system where I have re-installed Win7 on C: and shifted XP to D: ...)

But when I boot into D: it does assign itself as C: and when I saw it had assigned the system reserved as D: I was not happy, I don't really like the system doing it's own thing like that... anyhow, I couldn't change it once it booted because it's a system partition... and it did keep my E aligned so I just accepted it... and called it a day...
It will always be C. Always. You could create a Z drive, move it to the Z drive and it will still have the exact same thing as you're seeing now: System Reserved on D and that E drive. This is because Windows XP is doing its thing independently of Windows 7, and Windows 7 is doing its thing independently of Windows XP. Windows XP did not (and does not) know that you moved it to the D: drive while you were in Windows 7.
Right I hear what your saying, and I believe that you think that is the only possibility, I get that... and yes, I know that XP just saw a partition and named it... was just saying it worked out... Anyhow you're still not getting what I'm saying. It doesn't always HAVE TO BE C: It may be as Greg says a best practice, and I think that could stand technically, that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions. That's why I am here. Try and think of this as an opportunity to see something a little different today. An anomaly if you will.

Put on your curiosity hat, this is just another interesting "thing" like when learning new stuff was fun (remember those glorious days... cause I don't! lol) Anyhow, that is just a Win7 centric view... and maybe will come true, if and when all the XP OSs die out... that might become reality, but until that day, that is just part of a bigger picture, as my other original dual boot "XP system" will attest to...

this is getting funny though in the sense it's like trying to convince others of seeing a UFO or a floating man or something... LOL ... come on guys lighten up this isn't religion or supernatural phenomena, despite what Bill Gates and Co tells you... I'd like to keep this to a technical discussion, although like I said, understanding MS's history and origin goes a long way to giving context and understanding to how they operate...

I think Greg has the best sense of what I am talking about too, because he has been there from the beginning giving me advice and feedback since I introduced my "heretical" setup... (hats off to you) But I am really surprised. Is there no one on this site that has, or has seen a XP/Win7 dual boot? (with no moving letter assignments) that's news to me...)


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13 May 2013   #22
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The comments about Bill Gates are completely unfounded as anyone can find from a Google search. The bizarre allegations lead to Alex Jones website which only the most unhinged conspiracy theorists follow - most recently that Boston attack was government staged. I would not dignify them with a response but they need to be rebutted.

Gates is a decent philanthropist who has tried to contribute back to the world which made him successful, preventing AIDS, Malaria and wiring classrooms around the globe.

Unsubscribed, as I will not wallow in that any longer. You have the answer to your question, just confirmed by our resident professor.
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13 May 2013   #23
SIW2

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Is there no one on this site that has, or has seen a XP/Windows 7 dual boot? (with no moving letter assignments) that's news to me...)
Yes, I do it all the time.

I don't use xp - I use vista/7/8 ( and Linux. )

Read the post just before yours.
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13 May 2013   #24
sigma6

win7 32bit
 
 

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I have been doing it for years.

1) Either run the installer from your existing installation - then it will assign itself the next available letter .

2) Or - if you are geeky, you can fix the osletter immediately after applying the image - that involves fiddling with the registry, so best use option 1.

I have often used X as the os letter.

I usually reserve W,X,Y,Z for external SATA/USB drives...

Right on SIW2, that was something what I was looking for weeks ago, but it's just as well, I probably wouldn't have been up to speed enough to understand that a few weeks ago, when I started monkeying with my hardware upgrades... but now I can wholeheartedly agree, so thanks for the confirmation as well... That makes a whole lot of sense.

You also got my attention about the registry approach. hmm, that might be a good thing to know... because thing is (or was) I couldn't get into the system when I was trying to get it to run on D: on the new drive, cause it would find the partition boot, load the OS, log in, and then realizing it was a C drive... immediately log me out again!

Would be interested to know if there is a way to access the registry of another OS if the OS is not running?... and I wonder how many entries I would need to change to get it running? (just musing)
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13 May 2013   #25
sigma6

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
The comments about Bill Gates are completely unfounded as anyone can find from a Google search. The bizarre allegations lead to Alex Jones website which only the most unhinged conspiracy theorists follow. I would not dignify them with a response but they need to be rebutted.

Gates is a decent philanthropist who has tried to contribute back to the world which made him successful, preventing AIDS, Malaria and wiring classrooms around the globe.

Unsubscribed, as I will not wallow in that any longer. You have the answer to your question, just confirmed by our resident professor.
Q-DOS was short for Quick and Dirty Operating System a stripped down version of a UNIX OS minus the networking capability (how ironic) which Bill bought for 30 or 70 thousand dollars... then using (legal finesse managed to lease to IBM... that's how it all started... ever wonder what happened to the guy he fleeced for it? Neither does anyone else...

You sound like you know him personally... 5 minutes of research on the internet... ohhkaayyy... I am talking about reading this in the media when it WAS GOING DOWn.. and the books that were published at the time... Remember DR-DOS, that guy committed suicide because Bill put code in Windows that would cause the system to crash if it was running on DR-DOS... he did a more sophisticated thing with the AMD 350 chip, I remember when I was installing it, during the huge controversy which chip was better AMD or Intel (it was clearly AMD) but if you followed the propaganda instead of testing the hardware yourself you would have thought it was Intel...

re the 350 chip you had to go to the MS site and download a tiny piece of code that was labelled "something erratum" which was basically MS ADMITTING that it fixed an MS ERROR in (in "Latin") when running on the AMD 350 chipped (they were legally forced to post it) (it would have taken 2 seconds to include in the download or SP) But if you didn't know about it you would think your AMD chip was running flunky... same pattern over and over... they didn't kill Apple because they were in danger of Monopoly charges... so they swallowed them whole .... alive.... and their attack on Netscape (again the superior competitor was the last straw that started the DOJ anti-trust laws, government doesn't go after a company on anti-trust grounds for being a good boys scout, you have to push pretty far to get that honour...

Gates became a "philanthropist" after the anti-trust law deals... and the reason hardly anyone can remember , was because they made a deal, which included a huge media black out on any more negative PR that was killing MS, (they met their match for the first time in 25 years in the Govt, and no, I am no fan of the Govt, this is just a bigger fish eating a smaller fish)anyhow the media vacuum was so MS could save face, in exchange the world got Vista... 5, maybe 10% bells and whistles over XP but a 20,000% increase in code?????

What's up with that?... their "official response" ... security... really? security for who? I think in a postwar 9/11 world we can all guess whose "security" it was for... and what that extra 20,000% increase in code was for... this is just the tip of the iceberg man... the tip of the iceberg...

Like I said if you can't beat them, join them, but you don't have to 'love' them... (that would be too much like Stockholm syndrome for me) I bring up these examples because they are perfect examples of what I said earlier, in that they would actually explain technical issues sometimes better when you know what is going on... tip of the iceberg? or isolated incident?
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13 May 2013   #26
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Aside from the bickering, what difference does it make if the booted drive is called C or P. D, Q or Tiffany?
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13 May 2013   #27
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

I haven't tried Tiffany yet.

If you have a lot of os it is useful to have drive letter consistency, so you know where you are.

It may also be needed after restoring an image.
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13 May 2013   #28
sigma6

win7 32bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
Aside from the bickering, what difference does it make if the booted drive is called C or P. D, Q or Tiffany?
My whole foray into this Britton was I had an XP/Win7 system and wanted to upgrade to a larger HDD... That is when I found this weird behaviour that no matter how I tried to set up the Clone job it would not "take" on the new drive...

I figured this was a Win7 peculiarity and that is when I started doing research on Boot loading in general, found Easy BCD and (eventually this Win7 forum) EasyBCD of course that didn't work, because although it will point it to D, no one told me that Win7 always wants to be C once it starts loading. (we are now discussing apparently that it is news that this doesn't NECESSARILY have to be the case...)

Anyhow, that was several weeks agow... I have done various tests and experiments and started getting all these weird results, that is when I started to really take a close look at 7. I was way behind the curve because I saw Vista coming before it knocked everyone broadside... I never touched it, worked with it, nor would recommend it to others BEFORE the consumer uproar... and I was right on the money, (because I was following the politics, and doing internet research that gave me a big heads up... as a result I was way behind the curve on Win7. I knew Win7 was coming (had to come) but I was so put off by Vista, I never really got around to it until recently.

I did a test install on my XP to try it out... liked it and left it at that... then I tried to do the upgrade and that was when I "fell in love all over again with Windows.... lol)

hope that makes sense...

brb... have an important conference call (just so you don't think I'm ducking and running...)
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13 May 2013   #29
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

You are getting two things confused here.

BCD is different. The drive letters are an alias to make it easier for the user.

The entries are made up of the disk and partition id.

That is why you are having the issue. You would either need to generalise the bcd store before cloning, or correct the entries after cloning. Easiest way to correct is to run startup repair from win 7 dvd/repair cd.

To generalize the bcd- at an elevated command prompt:

bcdedit /set {current} osdevice boot
bcdedit /set {current} device boot
bcdedit /set {bootmgr} device boot
bcdedit /set {memdiag} device boot
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13 May 2013   #30
sigma6

win7 32bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
I haven't tried Tiffany yet.

If you have a lot of os it is useful to have drive letter consistency, so you know where you are.

It may also be needed after restoring an image.
finally, someone who thinks like me... yes... sometimes the OS can be set up to look for other partitions, etc...
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