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10-22-2009
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#21 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 |

Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker We need confirmation that a clean install from boot with activation has been accomplished with the Upgrade media. That's what I have said and repeated over and over in this thread. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self built custom OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel i7-980X 3.3 Ghz (3.48 Ghz OC'd) Motherboard ASUS P6X58D Premium Memory 12 GB (2GBx6) DDR3 PC3-16000 2000 MHz Kingston HyperX Graphics Card Sapphire HD5870 Eyefinity 6 2GB Sound Card Realtek HD Audio ALC889 Integrated Chip Monitor(s) Displays 3x 27" Asus VE278Q Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution Mouse Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution PSU OCZ Series Gold OCZZ1000M 1000W Case Corsair Obsidian 800D Cooling Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme Copper CPU heat sink w/120 MM Hard Drives 160GB OCZ RevoDrive X2
** 2 x 1TB Samsung HDD HD154UI SATA Internet Speed 50 Mb/s Download and 2 Mb/s Upload Other Info Microsoft LifeCam Cinema
** Lite-On iHBS212 12x BD Writer
** Samsung CLX-3175FW Printer
** Netgear WNDR3800 Router
** Motorola SBG6580 Cable Modem
** 2x APC Back-UPS XS 1500 |
10-22-2009
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Quote: Originally Posted by Brink 
Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker We need confirmation that a clean install from boot with activation has been accomplished with the Upgrade media. That's what I have said and repeated over and over in this thread. 
I am trying it right now. My disk just arrived. | My System Specs | | |
10-22-2009
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#23 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit |
With 100% all due respect to the administrator that first answered my question in full on page one - I just don't see how that is possible. You were speaking about doing a partition - but are you saying that was on a completely blank hard drive to start? It never asked you to verify that you had a previous version of Windows on the computer or anything? That just doesn't seem right. 
Quote: Originally Posted by zigzag3143 Boot from the dvd (not from inside windows) run setup. It will ask you where you want it to go, and if you point it at a partition with a OS in it , pick custom, chose format, then sit back. This is what my friend told me who is doing it now. Is this the same as a full REFORMAT? I am having some minor hard disk problems right now (or it is just Vista sucking) and want to make sure that I am wiped clean and starting fresh with Windows 7. (My computer is only a year old and top-of-the-line, so it should be running perfectly.)
Additionally, I ordered from Best Buy in late June and it was NOT delivered today. Very sad.
Thank you for the tip on the WiFi driver. I will attempt to do that now. I have never downloaded individual drivers before. Is there a special way to make sure I get the 64 bit one? Also, this is my first computer with a fingerprint scanner, web cam and bluetooth built in, do I need to do anything special to make sure these all work? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DELL m1530 OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit Memory 4 GB Screen Resolution 1440x900 Hard Drives 250GB, 500GB (external) |
10-22-2009
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#24 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 |

Quote: Originally Posted by SilverGator With 100% all due respect to the administrator that first answered my question in full on page one - I just don't see how that is possible. You were speaking about doing a partition - but are you saying that was on a completely blank hard drive to start? It never asked you to verify that you had a previous version of Windows on the computer or anything? That just doesn't seem right. I have my my current Full retail Windows 7 Ultimate on one drive, but this does not matter since it is not qualified to upgrade from.
I created a new 40GB unallocated partition on a separate physical RAID hard drives, restarted the computer, booted from the Upgrade retail Windows 7 Home Premium, installed, and activated with the included product key number without having to verify or check for any previous qualifying version of Vista.
I confirm that it works this way 100%. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self built custom OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel i7-980X 3.3 Ghz (3.48 Ghz OC'd) Motherboard ASUS P6X58D Premium Memory 12 GB (2GBx6) DDR3 PC3-16000 2000 MHz Kingston HyperX Graphics Card Sapphire HD5870 Eyefinity 6 2GB Sound Card Realtek HD Audio ALC889 Integrated Chip Monitor(s) Displays 3x 27" Asus VE278Q Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution Mouse Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution PSU OCZ Series Gold OCZZ1000M 1000W Case Corsair Obsidian 800D Cooling Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme Copper CPU heat sink w/120 MM Hard Drives 160GB OCZ RevoDrive X2
** 2 x 1TB Samsung HDD HD154UI SATA Internet Speed 50 Mb/s Download and 2 Mb/s Upload Other Info Microsoft LifeCam Cinema
** Lite-On iHBS212 12x BD Writer
** Samsung CLX-3175FW Printer
** Netgear WNDR3800 Router
** Motorola SBG6580 Cable Modem
** 2x APC Back-UPS XS 1500 |
10-22-2009
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#25 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit |
Very interesting. Would the method proposed by zigzag give me the same result I am looking for? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DELL m1530 OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit Memory 4 GB Screen Resolution 1440x900 Hard Drives 250GB, 500GB (external) |
10-22-2009
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Quote: Originally Posted by Brink 
Quote: Originally Posted by SilverGator With 100% all due respect to the administrator that first answered my question in full on page one - I just don't see how that is possible. You were speaking about doing a partition - but are you saying that was on a completely blank hard drive to start? It never asked you to verify that you had a previous version of Windows on the computer or anything? That just doesn't seem right. I have my my current Full retail Windows 7 Ultimate on one drive, but this does not matter since it is not qualified to upgrade from.
I created a new 40GB unallocated partition on a separate physical RAID hard drives, restarted the computer, booted from the Upgrade retail Windows 7 Home Premium, installed, and activated with the included product key number without having to verify or check for any previous qualifying version of Vista.
I confirm that it works this way 100%. Brink there is quite a bit of confidence expressed on Technet that ANY activated OS can be used for upgrade, but of course we were also told there was no way to boot from the installer and have it detect.
Just to be sure, I wiped the unactivated RTM drive after booting from a Premium upgrade disk to test whether it will install without any qualifying OS as has been reported here. So far it is proceeding with the install.
This could mean Upgrade shipped with full product keys (stunner) or is looking from boot mode for any activated OS flag.
Last edited by gregrocker; 10-22-2009 at 07:27 PM..
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10-22-2009
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#27 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 |

Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker Brink there is quite a bit of confidence expressed on Technet that ANY activated OS can be used for upgrade, but of course we were also told there was no way to boot from the installer and have it detect.
Just to be sure, I wiped the unactivated RTM partition after booting from my Premium upgrade disk to test whether it will install without any qualifying OS as has been alleged. So far it is proceeding with the install.
This could mean Upgrade shipped with full product keys (stunner) or are looking from boot mode for any activated OS flag.
Not sure which reason may be for it either, but it works. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self built custom OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel i7-980X 3.3 Ghz (3.48 Ghz OC'd) Motherboard ASUS P6X58D Premium Memory 12 GB (2GBx6) DDR3 PC3-16000 2000 MHz Kingston HyperX Graphics Card Sapphire HD5870 Eyefinity 6 2GB Sound Card Realtek HD Audio ALC889 Integrated Chip Monitor(s) Displays 3x 27" Asus VE278Q Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution Mouse Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution PSU OCZ Series Gold OCZZ1000M 1000W Case Corsair Obsidian 800D Cooling Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme Copper CPU heat sink w/120 MM Hard Drives 160GB OCZ RevoDrive X2
** 2 x 1TB Samsung HDD HD154UI SATA Internet Speed 50 Mb/s Download and 2 Mb/s Upload Other Info Microsoft LifeCam Cinema
** Lite-On iHBS212 12x BD Writer
** Samsung CLX-3175FW Printer
** Netgear WNDR3800 Router
** Motorola SBG6580 Cable Modem
** 2x APC Back-UPS XS 1500 |
10-22-2009
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#28 | | Windows 7 RTM (TechNet), XP Pro x64, Vista x64, Ubuntu |

Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker We need confirmation that a clean install from boot with activation has been accomplished with the Upgrade media. gregrocker,
With all due respect to our disagreement which has persisted throughout the day, I think Brink has validated what Microsoft sent to me in writing and I posted a week ago.
Tom | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell: XPS 420, XPS 420, XPS M1330, XPS M1330, Mini 9, Mini 10v OS Windows 7 RTM (TechNet), XP Pro x64, Vista x64, Ubuntu CPU Q6600, Q6700, T7500, T7500, N270, N270 Motherboard Dell Memory 4GB, 8GB, 4GB, 4GB, 2GB, 2GB Graphics Card ATI, nVidia, nVidia, nVidia, Intel, Intel Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2408WFP Keyboard Logitech Wave Hard Drives A drawer full. OCZ Vertex 2x30GB in RAID 0 on my main desktop.....fast, fast, fast! Internet Speed 29 Mbps DL / .95 Mbps UL Other Info New project(9/09)...Built a low power (38-40 watts using Kill-a-Watt) Windows Home Server machine. Zotac ION (Atom 330, GeForce9400), 2GB RAM, 2x1TB Seagate 7200.12, IN WIM miniITX Case. Fits on a shelf in laundry closet, practically silent. |
10-22-2009
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#29 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by zrtom 
Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker We need confirmation that a clean install from boot with activation has been accomplished with the Upgrade media. gregrocker,
With all due respect to our disagreement which has persisted throughout the day, I think Brink has validated what Microsoft sent to me in writing and I posted a week ago.
Tom
Yes, your theory was that it would see a qualifying OS from boot and pass a flag to proceed, which might well be what happened with Brink's test since he had activated 7 on the HDD.
But what still needs to be tested is if Brink's experiment means instead that Upgrades can be installed from boot with no underlying OS, which could either mean they shipped with full product keys, or are malfunctioning - brainy LIW2 was hinting they might be full product keys lately.
Why on earth would MS ship full version keys with Upgrades, knowing word will be disseminated so widely that full retail will only need to be bought going forward by the uninformed? Guess it might be because they can afford it!
Last edited by gregrocker; 10-22-2009 at 07:29 PM..
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10-22-2009
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Activation was successful! on an Upgrade disk install from boot with a formatted HDD and therefore no underlying OS, using same Upgrade's package key.
The only other possible explanation I can think of is that if indeed they are able to detect an underlying activated OS, then possibly having a non-zeroed HDD could have left activation code on the drive which it is mistakenly reading.
Otherwise it looks like these Upgrades might be full retail versions! (Can I say that?)
Last edited by gregrocker; 10-22-2009 at 07:31 PM..
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