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Windows 7: Doing a Clean Install with a Upgrade Windows 7 Version


23 Oct 2009   #81

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
 
 

Am I correct that the difference is with method A you are just wiping the partition while with method B you are wiping the entire drive and starting everything from 0000000.

Would that matter to me, though? I think Vista set me up in two partitions - one main one and one that was a "back-up." I don't really need that back-up.

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23 Oct 2009   #82
Microsoft MVP

64-bit Windows 8.1 Enterprise
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SilverGator View Post
This is the last time I will ask (for clarification purposes) because I don't want to annoy anyone that feels this has been asked/answered on here. But there is one thing I do not understand.

[This is w/ the retail upgrade 64 bit Windows 7 DVD preordered.]

Whether I (a) boot from DVD, custom install w/ format or (b) reformat hard drive then boot from DVD - do I get the SAME result? That result being a hard drive that is (1) sparkling clean, (2) reformatted and (3) with only Windows 7 on it.

Please let me know if I do get the same result and, if not, what is different.

THANK YOU ALL!!!


On a side note, I ordered this from Best Buy the DAY it came out. They are telling me I may not get it until the 29th. My delivery time was 22nd-29th. Absurd.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SilverGator View Post
Am I correct that the difference is with method A you are just wiping the partition while with method B you are wiping the entire drive and starting everything from 0000000.

Would that matter to me, though? I think Vista set me up in two partitions - one main one and one that was a "back-up." I don't really need that back-up.
Hello SilverGator,

You can read the full details on each below on what they do.

Custom Install Windows 7

and

Clean Install Windows 7
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23 Oct 2009   #83
Microsoft MVP

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Hollow Man View Post
I think djjaeger82 has really stated it best. If you're using the upgrade disc (and key), you CAN repartition and reformat the drive, but you must do it from within the Windows 7 installer, and the drive must have Windows of some form (XP, Vista, 7) on it beforehand. If the drive is brand new, or you have wiped it via PartitionMagic or some other means BEFORE running the Windows 7 installer, the upgrade media and key will not activate (unless you install Windows 7 over the top a second time).



-HM
People are reporting across all web forums that they clean installed from boot to formatted and new HDD's with the Upgrade media with activation. Therefore no previous OS was present.
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23 Oct 2009   #84

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SilverGator View Post
This is the last time I will ask (for clarification purposes) because I don't want to annoy anyone that feels this has been asked/answered on here. But there is one thing I do not understand.

[This is w/ the retail upgrade 64 bit Windows 7 DVD preordered.]

Whether I (a) boot from DVD, custom install w/ format or (b) reformat hard drive then boot from DVD - do I get the SAME result? That result being a hard drive that is (1) sparkling clean, (2) reformatted and (3) with only Windows 7 on it.

Please let me know if I do get the same result and, if not, what is different.

THANK YOU ALL!!!

Yes. from a), b), you get 1), 2), and 3.



On a side note, I ordered this from Best Buy the DAY it came out. They are telling me I may not get it until the 29th. My delivery time was 22nd-29th. Absurd.


Yes. from a), b), you get 1), 2), and 3.
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23 Oct 2009   #85

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by djjaeger82 View Post
Ok final post for the night. Both the 32-bit and 64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade with a clean install DID NOT accept my upgrade product key when I rebuilt my RAID array first (aka removed all partition prior to booting off the windows7 DVDs). This tells us that to do a clean install you have to have some previous version of windows already installed on your PC somewhere (perhaps any drive or any partition). The fact that you can erase these partitions and install to the drive's bare unallocated space once in setup must mean that some flag is triggered during the initial loading of setup that detects the windows version somewhere. One key item to note: It seems like this works even with an unactivated copy of windows 7 installed on a partition.

Summary of what I tested tonight using my MS Store pre-ordered Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade version downloaded today:

1.) Installing Windows 7 64-bit Upgrade as a Clean install on a completely blank hard drive prior to install -> Does not accept upgrade product key during setup and will not activate after installation completes

2.) Installing Windows 7 32-bit Upgrade as a Clean install, but having the 64-bit unactivated Windows 7 on the HD from #1 above prior to setup starting (Clean install meant I deleted all existing partitions during setup and installed to non-allocated space) -> WORKS AND DOES ACCEPT PRODUCT KEY DURING SETUP

3.) Installing Windows 7 64-bit Upgrade as a Clean install, but having the 32-bit unactivated Windows 7 on the HD from #2 above prior to setup starting (Clean install meant I deleted all existing partitions during setup and installed to non-allocated space) -> WORKS AND DOES ACCEPT PRODUCT KEY DURING SETUP

4.) Removing partitions from #3 above and Installing Windows 7 32-bit Upgrade as a Clean install on a completely blank hard drive prior to install -> Does not accept upgrade product key during setup and will not activate after installation completes

5.) Removed all partitions and verified #1 again -> DOES NOT WORK

Bottom Line:

A.) If you have a previous windows installation on a drive somewhere in your system and you want to do a clean install from your upgrade disc you should have no problem, as long as that partition is still intact during setup. You can even delete this partition during setup and create a blank hard drive to install to and do a completely clean 1 time installation. This will work with your Windows 7 Home Premium 32/64 Upgrade DVD and upgrade key.

B.) If you have a COMPLETELY BLANK HARD DRIVE prior to install (no previous partitions at all with windows on them), your Windows 7 Home Premium 32/64 Upgrade DVD and upgrade key WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED during setup, and also will not activate later once in windows after installation completes (ex: you leave the product key blank during setup so that setup can complete)

--> The workaround to situation B is to just run the Windows 7 clean installation a second time. The first time you just simply leave the product key empty so that setup can complete. Once in windows after the first install, don't bother trying to activate. Then just reinstall again booting from the upgrade DVD media again. I know this is completely lame and is essentially a 2x installation, but at least you can still do a true Clean Install (no need to try an in-place upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 7 sillyness), and this time it will accept your upgrade key.

Hope that wasn't too confusing!! Feel free to ask questions if anything's not clear!

-Dan

UPDATE: Just wanted to update that online activation went thru just fine a few min ago for me following scenario B above where I did the 2nd clean install with my upgrade key after the first install without the upgrade key, screenshot attached =)
Formatted my hard drive
Booted up using a DVD that I created from the Windows 7 Pro Upgrade for Students that I purchased online from Digital River for $29.99 + tax
I followed the instructions in “Section B” from djjaeger82
During the second installation, my Upgrade Product Key was accepted.
Although I did not ACTIVATE yet, I am sure the activation will not be a problem. djjaeger82is SPOT ON with his post.
Thank you very much.
Looking forward to seeing the “Registry and Command Prompt” solution referred to by cvor and RPmtl.
Good luck to all.
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23 Oct 2009   #86

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
 
 

Two questions that also apply to BRINK.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zigzag3143 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by silvergator
Whether I (a) boot from DVD, custom install w/ format or (b) reformat hard drive then boot from DVD - do I get the SAME result? That result being a hard drive that is (1) sparkling clean, (2) reformatted and (3) with only Windows 7 on it.

Yes. from a), b), you get 1), 2), and 3.
Clean Install Windows 7
This is the one I am going to use.

"Sometimes you may have a problem with installing Windows 7 with more than 2 GB of RAM installed. If you have this problem, then you should install Windows 7 with a maximum of 2GB of RAM installed and add the rest of the RAM after Windows 7 is fully installed. You may need to flash your motherboard BIOS with the latest version to support more this."
I have a laptop so this is not an option. Why would there be a problem? I have 4 GB of RAM installed.

My current installation of Windows Vista 32 bit is, I think, in two partitions (I think that is what it is called) because it came installed directly from DELL. It has the main drive (C) as well as what I think is a back-up that is very small in size. Will formatting with the Clean Install option get rid of both of these "partitions?" Is there a way I can do that? If not, what do I do with that other partition once I format the main partition? Just use it for my own back-up?

You guys have been the BEST!
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23 Oct 2009   #87

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SilverGator View Post
Two questions that also apply to BRINK.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zigzag3143 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by silvergator
Whether I (a) boot from DVD, custom install w/ format or (b) reformat hard drive then boot from DVD - do I get the SAME result? That result being a hard drive that is (1) sparkling clean, (2) reformatted and (3) with only Windows 7 on it.
Yes. from a), b), you get 1), 2), and 3.
Clean Install Windows 7
This is the one I am going to use.

"Sometimes you may have a problem with installing Windows 7 with more than 2 GB of RAM installed. If you have this problem, then you should install Windows 7 with a maximum of 2GB of RAM installed and add the rest of the RAM after Windows 7 is fully installed. You may need to flash your motherboard BIOS with the latest version to support more this."
I have a laptop so this is not an option. Why would there be a problem? I have 4 GB of RAM installed.

My current installation of Windows Vista 32 bit is, I think, in two partitions (I think that is what it is called) because it came installed directly from DELL. It has the main drive (C) as well as what I think is a back-up that is very small in size. Will formatting with the Clean Install option get rid of both of these "partitions?" Is there a way I can do that? If not, what do I do with that other partition once I format the main partition? Just use it for my own back-up?

You guys have been the BEST!
I'll jump in here for Shawn...

I have a laptop so this is not an option. Why would there be a problem? I have 4 GB of RAM installed.
This really applies to Desktops more than Laptops in my experience

Will formatting with the Clean Install option get rid of both of these "partitions?" Is there a way I can do that? If not, what do I do with that other partition once I format the main partition? Just use it for my own back-up?
When you run Windows Setup and get to the partitioner part just choose each partition and click delete (if this is what you desire). After that you, in essence, formatted the drive. Just continue by double clicking the un-allocated space
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23 Oct 2009   #88

Windows Vista Home Premium 32bit Upgrade to Windows 7 Pro 64bit
 
 
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I would just like to thank everybody for their help in getting my windows 7 to work. Especially the guy that made osc zip file and the address and all that. Going from 32bit to 64 bit was a pain, but not it is great. I love it and am glad I got the 64 bit pro windows 7. Thanks again people!

Here is a problem I ran into and how I addressed it. Ok, well once you are in the cmd prompt and it gives you an error like boot sector whatever there may be something wrong with your syntax, files, or something else that error. All I did was instead of copy and paste the osc address into the command prompt, you have to manually type it in. I repeat DO NOT copy and paste it, it will NOT work most of the time and you will get an error. So after you manually type in the osc address into the command prompt it will then work and it start making your .iso file.
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23 Oct 2009   #89
Microsoft MVP

 

Paul Thurrot has just put up a workaround for clean installing to a new drive:

http://community.winsupersite.com/bl...he-answer.aspx

This may be the registry fix MS tech support is giving several to allow them to proceed with Upgrade clean install, which they confirm is allowed.
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23 Oct 2009   #90

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Paul Thurrot has just put up a workaround for clean installing to a new drive:

http://community.winsupersite.com/bl...he-answer.aspx

This may be the registry fix MS tech support is giving several to allow them to proceed with Upgrade clean install, which they confirm is allowed.
I called MS and *pretended* to have your guys' issues. I can confirm that this was the process the rep took me through.

...Sorry MS for decieving you but I needed to validate whether our fixes actually work...don't worry they didn't give me a free 7 or anything
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