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Windows 7: Unable to follow install tutorial

01 Nov 2009   #11

 

The UPGRADE METHOD WORKS very well. I for one tested every version or Windows 7 (7000) all the way to (7600-RTM) as upgrade..
I even upgraded the Pro version release to Ultimate. (Not recommended for noobies). There were several options Beta Testers could use that are not RECOMMENDED for the average user.

The Upgrade method averaged 2h30m on most upgrades...
It is possible... If {Slide} wants to UPGRADE then I suggest he continue with the UPGRADE method.

torrentg I do understand your reasoning.
+1 for you.


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01 Nov 2009   #12

Win7 Enterprise, Win7 x86 (Ult 7600), Win7 x64 Ult 7600, TechNet RTM on AMD x64 (2.8Ghz)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by torrentg View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr View Post
Slide, I can tell you that you'll never be trouble free even if you manage to do the upgrade. The ONLY sane choice is a clean install of the OS and reinstall your programs. You'll spend hours trying to do the upgrade and then you'll have nothing but problems. Bite the bullet and get started on it now.
I normally keep quiet when I disagree on things, and also do not mind at all when I'm corrected when wrong. However, this is untrue.

Since last year, I have upgraded approximately 20 times between two machines during beta testing phase. There has been not one issue to speak of and in fact, both machines are still running from upgrade installs. My experience has been that it couldn't be any more perfect. We do have to consider that I'm an experienced user though, which helps to avoid errors.

I have always recommended upgrade for users that really want to keep settings/software.
I have to agree with torrentg, also

On this particular machine I am on right now has had numerous versions of Windows 7 Ultimate from the very early beta stages. I have had to do only one clean install when upgrading versions. I forgot which one, but I used the Windows Easy Transfer of 149gb of Progs, Pics, Docs, etc, to an external 1tb HD. Even with that the WET worked so well I did not have to re-install any programs or activate anything.

So experienced Geeks can do it

Search for the cversion.ini modicafication. It works, if things are done properly


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02 Nov 2009   #13

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Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

I also have to agree with torrentg, Snuffy and DocBrown,

Having used the upgrade several times, it's convenient and if anyone wants to use this method there is nothing wrong with installing an OS that way.
If they have a corrupt file or issue with the preceding OS it may or may not follow them to the new OS. This is their choice and they are the one that will be using the re-installed or new OS.
I would say the vast majority will have no issues with an upgrade installation.

If you are strongly in favor of the Clean/Custom install method you are definitely within your rights to suggest it. In my opinion, too many are too forceful (not intending this for the post in this thread, only generally) in their recommendation, explain your position and let the computer user make the choice.

Having said that, I tend to do more clean installs now, keeping my program installation files on an eSATA external HD makes installing them fast and much easier. Tools like Windows Easy Transfer also speed up this process considerably.
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02 Nov 2009   #14

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr View Post
Slide, I can tell you that you'll never be trouble free even if you manage to do the upgrade. The ONLY sane choice is a clean install of the OS and reinstall your programs. You'll spend hours trying to do the upgrade and then you'll have nothing but problems. Bite the bullet and get started on it now.
I hear you but am not understanding you. My 7100 is trouble free. I was told by MSFT that this is the RTM or gold version of the OS. Thus the thing I bought should be identical in all respects to my currently installed version. Is that correct or did MSFT pull a fast one on me when I decided to try Win 7?

I will promise you 100% that if I had been told that I'd need to install Win 7 7100 several times clean to get a good stable OS on the final drive I wished to have it on and then, after a few months, again install the OS clean, I'd have not d/l 7100 or bothered with all the installs before.

So rather than dwell on politics, can you please explain to me what are the differences between 7100 and the commercial DVD I just bought at retail? If there are differences, then why was 7100 called RTM?
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02 Nov 2009   #15

7600.20510 x86
 
 

7100 is earlier beta RC, meaning Release Candidate.
7600 is RTM, meaning Release To Manufacturer.

There are little to no differences seen by user. Updates with drivers and stuff are main difference. Both are superb.

If you want to upgrade, do so.
If you want clean install, do so.
If you want to keep 7100 until expire, do so.

I think this post makes it as simple to understand as it can get.
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02 Nov 2009   #16

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Thanks all. I got a pm from someone listing the details of the upgrade process. So that's solved more or less. Due to me moving from 7100 to 7600 Ultimate both times, the process is a bit more complex. So now I have a choice of poisons.

There is a customer experience issue left. I'm hardly the only person who d/l 7100. MSFT pushed this very hard in the spring and summer. Given the time it takes to run a clean install, I find it amazing that the company chose to kick its 'early experience' customers by demanding this much of their time and trouble.

Some have said that today MSFT has grown to be the IBM that it (more or less) displaced. I have worked with IBM and MSFT over the years. IBM may be the high priced leader, but it treated its customers well. As they say, nobody ever got fired for choosing IBM. I wish MSFT had that commitment to its customers.
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02 Nov 2009   #17

7600.20510 x86
 
 

They do. That's why they made it slightly harder to upgrade in your position. It does avoid errors from noobs for the most part. If you can do the edit, then 1 step above noob. Win-win for everyone.
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02 Nov 2009   #18

Win7 Enterprise, Win7 x86 (Ult 7600), Win7 x64 Ult 7600, TechNet RTM on AMD x64 (2.8Ghz)
 
 

slide,

You are getting sound advice from Four (4) well experienced SevenForums Gurus

that have all accomplished a lot of installs & upgrades. The choice is yours

We just can't come to your place and do it for you, all we can do is guide you with

the best of our combined knowledge

" Doc "
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02 Nov 2009   #19

win 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by torrentg View Post
They do. That's why they made it slightly harder to upgrade in your position. It does avoid errors from noobs for the most part. If you can do the edit, then 1 step above noob. Win-win for everyone.
I can't agree. They made it impossible to upgrade using MSFT's resources. This board contains information to upgrade but that information isn't available from any MSFT sources.

When I got the error message I also got a link to microsoft.com. The page there explicitly said there is NO upgrade possible. It didn't say it's available for those who are one step above an idiot or anything similar.

Explain to me where the win part of your win-win is for those who don't happen to stumble onto this Board?
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02 Nov 2009   #20

win 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown View Post
slide,

You are getting sound advice from Four (4) well experienced SevenForums Gurus

that have all accomplished a lot of installs & upgrades. The choice is yours

We just can't come to your place and do it for you, all we can do is guide you with

the best of our combined knowledge

" Doc "
I have no complaints about the advice given me here or in the pm. My concern isn't with this Board but in MSFT's cavalier attitude toward those who bought into the Win 7 preview come on and then decided to buy the product.

I'm ok following the upgrade steps however most are not. They are not capable due to feeling queasy about taking steps outside the mfg's instructions or, for the huge majority, not finding a place like this Board with the information contained herein.

In the end, I don't have a quibble with this Board or the advice given me. Just the opposite. I'm[ grateful to this board and those who've contributed to this thread.

I do have a huge quibble that this information isn't avaiable at the MSFT site.
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