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Windows 7: Overheating after new hard drive and clean install

15 Mar 2016   #31
TrustMe

 
 

If you decide to take the hard drive out of your son's laptop I would suggest you search YouTube for his model number along with the word "disassemble". I do this for anything I have to take apart, from computers to car parts. It can be of great help.


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15 Mar 2016   #32
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hazel123 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
There are reports of certain Linux distros not being compatible with some SSDs, (IIRC Thrashzone had some issues with a trashed SSD), if Sony incorporates one of those it could explain things
Thank you Barman and whs. I think there is something in Sony's bios that limits hard drives - at least for recovery discs and system images, as if you try and install on a new disc from the recovery discs, or restore a system image it goes the whole way and then comes up with a message saying there's a problem with the hard disc. Which is when I tried cloning. And then a clean install. Anyway the clean install went fine apart from the overheating. So will try the ssd in it and hope it doesn't trash it. If it does I'll get a cheaper one to put back in son's (virtually unused) laptop.
Hi,
Yep Crucial MX100 256bg ssd
Linux does not support the type of trim so they fill up with garbage and can't read and write anymore
Although a post on Crucial said it was just ssd failure
I got a refurbished sent back to me using it now with win-7 on my Acer rig.
Quote:
Some firmware of some models of Crucial SSD have some sever problem with Queued Trim due to buggy firmware. This can lead to data corruption. Linux, which uses Queued Trim, has therefore implemented a check in kernels to blacklist the models before executing trim:
Dangerous for use in kernels:
3.12 (before 3.12.29);
3.13 (before 3.13.7);
3.14 (before 3.14.20);
3.17 (before 3.17.1) - regression in the blacklist, fixed in 3.17.1.
Safe kernels:
anything before 3.12;
3.12.29 and later;
3.13.7 and later;
3.14.20 and later;
3.15 (all);
3.16 (all);
3.17.1 and later.

- In some later kernels those checks have been removed after Crucial claimed that firmware updates have taken care of the problem even though the problem persists
- users following advice how to optimise SSD performance and thereby overriding the blacklisting

The model with the most problem is M500 since a firmware update was released that supposedly fixed it; except it didn't. MX100, as far as I remember, was hit by it but I believe that here a firmware update did fix it.

Best read up on this on their forum:
M500/M5x0 QUEUED-TRIM data corruption alert (mostl... - Crucial Community
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15 Mar 2016   #33
hazel123

Windows 7 64 bit, Windows 7 32 bit and Xubuntu
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TrustMe View Post
If you decide to take the hard drive out of your son's laptop I would suggest you search YouTube for his model number along with the word "disassemble". I do this for anything I have to take apart, from computers to car parts. It can be of great help.
Thanks! I still have the dissassemble instructions from last time Which is why I know what a pig it is!
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15 Mar 2016   #34
hazel123

Windows 7 64 bit, Windows 7 32 bit and Xubuntu
 
 

ThrashZone that is really helpful - and interesting. Luckily the SSD isn't a Crucial one. I know there's an issue with Sony and Norton Ghost cloning software but that doesn't really affect me. Do you know if it is just Crucial SSD's that have this issue?

The annoying thing is, I have a perfectly good 250GB SSD when I need a 500GB one and son's laptop only needs a 120GB one. I originally got it to upgrade my laptop but since then my 320GB has got more full of stuff! And his small SD died so I just stuck it in, which he was very happy about. But ignores it now he has an ipod. If I wreck it I have a 10" netbook he can have lol.

The 250GB SSD is a Samsung one. I'm the unofficial techie in the house as partner is technophobe and better at doing diy than me and I upgrade netbooks and sell them for fun.
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15 Mar 2016   #35
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
No problem
The only thing I got out of all that was don't use an ssd using Linux
They are too freaking expensive to risk
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15 Mar 2016   #36
hazel123

Windows 7 64 bit, Windows 7 32 bit and Xubuntu
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TrustMe View Post
If you decide to take the hard drive out of your son's laptop I would suggest you search YouTube for his model number along with the word "disassemble". I do this for anything I have to take apart, from computers to car parts. It can be of great help.
I'm glad you suggested that because it made me google again to see if there were other dissassembly tutorials and I found a much better one! So this time I got the hard drive out the easy way. There's not much info on the laptop as it's a schools type one and not a mainstream one.

Anyway - SSD is out of son's laptop and in the Sony and I can really see the difference - Windows installed so fast. The downside is - exactly the same as when I put the standard hard drive in - it's running much hotter than before.

Speccy says Drive is 42 to 43 degrees. CPU and Motherboard are 55 to 60 on idle, and 64 to 70 when working (installing antivirus) from sd card, not online.

This is disappointing and makes me think Sony have something on the original hard drive or in the bios, that keeps the temperatures down, or makes it run hot if you use any other hard drive.

As I really like having an SSD in this laptop, is there any software you can add to keep temperatures down? I know I could get a cooling stand, but I was wondering if there's something that could make it run cooler software-wise. I know Asus used to have a little program for the Eee PC's that helped keep temperatures down.
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15 Mar 2016   #37
RolandJS

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
 
 

Was getting an external usb-powered cooling assembly already mentioned? I have one for each of my "getting hot" laptops.
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15 Mar 2016   #38
hazel123

Windows 7 64 bit, Windows 7 32 bit and Xubuntu
 
 

Yes it was, but thank you. It sounds like an option. What bugs me though is why it runs so much hotter with anything other than the pre-installed hard drive. Anyway I'm going to run Windows updates and see if it can cope without shutting down on me like it did with the other new drive.

It's up to 84 degrees doing Windows Updates and feels extremely hot on the outside, but hasn't shut down.
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15 Mar 2016   #39
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
84 Degrees is nothing
Tell us when it hits 84 Celsius
Download Real Temp 3.70 | techPowerUp
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15 Mar 2016   #40
hazel123

Windows 7 64 bit, Windows 7 32 bit and Xubuntu
 
 

Well it just hit 89 degrees while installing Service Pack 1 and shut itself down

I guess I will never know what the difference between the pre-installed drive and any other drive is - presumably some software or bios thing, but looks like this Sony needs replacing. I know the machine runs at a perfectly normal temperature, doesn't overheat or shut down, if I put the original drive back in. I actually sent off for a drive very similar spec Sata II for 25. To see if Sony's thing that the drive needs to be the same size and same speed - actually makes any difference. If that doesn't work I'll look at putting the money for the hard drive towards another laptop.

Don't want to have cooling stands really - I haven't needed that before with the laptop.
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