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Windows 7: Win 7 clone ssd invalid partitions table

08 Jul 2016   #41
oues

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RolandJS View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by oues View Post
I think I narrowed the problem to a bad 0 first sector on the ssd...I'm now reading on how to edit and correct that...
Definitely keep us posted as to your progress; in the old days a bad Sector Zero physically is bad news, if the problem is "logical" [nonPhysical] -- a repair can be made. However, I know nothing about SSD/NTFS -- I'll be learning right alongside with you.
So we learn all together, that's good thing...

You re right, it seems to be a bad thing and I,m asking myself if it is not the ssd that was corrupted out of the box...and no warranty now. That would explain a lot...

There is something to understand in all this...i find it hard to give up...if not to find ideal solution, to find the root cause.


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08 Jul 2016   #42
oues

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Megahertz07 View Post
I'm feeling as fool. I was trying to teach a priest how to pray.
You weren't talking about MBR, boot loader etc
You were talking about allocation tables. It's much ahead my knowledge. Sorry for wasting your time.
But I agree with Roland, if you restore the PBS with the CBS and it gets corrupted, you can have a hardware failure difficult (or impossible) to fix.
Jumanji is one Guru that can help you.
Ahahah I like how you phrase it...no sorry here, you took your time to help me...and to continue the metaphore, i'm no priest as I'm no technical specialist in the matter but again I like to try and understand things by myself helped by guys like you. I aggree with you it can be a hardware faillure...from an out of the box ssd. The idea never came to me before today...

It seems that this problem is rare but can be caused by harware faillure. Now, again, from a new, unused ssd, and the presence unexplained of a lot of deleted partitions, some primary but more of logical ones, never created by me. Normal thing maybe ? Hum hum...
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10 Jul 2016   #43
oues

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Fast follow up.

Definitely a problem with start partition at 0 sector, causing mbr to fail. All tool or manual checks shows partition allign and good and that the case but...not if starting at 0 sector, offset=0 right because the mbr use some bytes in the first 512 block...I dont understand there is no code somewhere supposed to detect that and directing to correct the fact.

I think I could try to move resize partition and setting boundaries...now what's the best partitions settings-offset-boundaries and wich steps to follow exactly with which software, it's yet to be elucidated. And what the best simple low sized backup needed to do. I don't know If I try to backup just partition, disk and whats the best way to avoid copying the error source. Disk will clone backup the error. Partition too...or how to be sure I'll have the option to set the correct values when restore or cloning to another disk ? To wipe ssd and recloning after...

Ok, I'm now booted on my win 7 SSD, not knowing what let me boot...and I dont want to reboot before trying all I could online to resolve the issue...I may be not perseverant enough to try to boot again...

Idea what to start with ?

Question ? What let me boot this one time after so many different tools-tries, manipulations ?...

Before reboot I made a 5 steps chkdsk /r but I ve made some before with no result.

I started a sfc=errors found linked to manifest files for a language pack...was already like that on the original system. Not pertinent to the present situation.

If I want to make a check for virus malwares rootkits, whats the best first to use ?
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10 Jul 2016   #44
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP
 
 

As you mentioned, cloning by copping the disk can result an unusable copy.
I'll wold clone the disk sector by sector and then restore the PBS with the CBS on the cloned disk.
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10 Jul 2016   #45
oues

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Megahertz07 View Post
As you mentioned, cloning by copping the disk can result an unusable copy.
I'll wold clone the disk sector by sector and then restore the PBS with the CBS on the cloned disk.
What do u mean sector by sector ? Ok forget my question
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10 Jul 2016   #46
jumanji

Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit
 
 

I was out of station and the hotel wifi was not connecting and when connected wouldn't open any page most of the time. I just managed to read DavidE's message but couldn't even send a reply for everything vanished again - all on my Windows phone with which I was never comfortable to browse or post messages.

Your problem is not one of data recovery and from that point of view I have no role to play.

Second I haven't even seen a SSD , had never put my hand on one and therefore effectively unfit to deal with any problems with it.

But what I understand technically reading your many posts is that your SSD is physically bad. The solid state memory is not holding its charge which is fast depleting and that is the reason why your MBR or PBR is getting corrupted/becoming unreadable. Refresh it with fresh charge by rewriting the MBR/PBR or whatever, it works/boots but soon that charge is again lost and you are back to square one.

IMO, replacing the faulty SSD with a good one should clear the problem. And a clean fresh install is the best course after installing the new SSD. We always hesitate to do that because of the work involved in reinstalling and reconfiguring everything to bring it the desired level.That is only a starting trouble . But once started you know that you can do it and you will do it.
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10 Jul 2016   #47
oues

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Well, maybe, maybe not, I'm now booting and rebooting updating the system and about to image back up it.

I' rebuild bcd using a old boot hidden part I had on another drive. It's working like that. I'll have to wipe the ssd and put back win 7

Hope my hard and long journey is about to end...hapily...
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10 Jul 2016   #48
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

Good luck with that and hope you have it fixed.
If you haven't done this already, you can check SSD alignment:
SSD Alignment

Also, Imaging rather than Cloning might be more reliable going forward.
I use Macrium Reflect free for backup images.
It can restore to a different sized partition, as long as there is enough space on the Target for the Source used space.
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11 Jul 2016   #49
oues

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Hello !!!

First, thanks to you all again, you ve help me to think and go forward.

So, cloned the ssd already cloned, restore it to hdd formated with a primary partition. Added it to bcd, start at first boot and running great.

I'll have to read more about partition table, cluster size etc etc...

I didnt touch anything regarding cloning in some years, I see there was a lot of progress...

I have now all system running fine...there is still a lot of mystery for another time maybe...

If I need help in the future, I'll know where to go !!!
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11 Jul 2016   #50
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

I've transferred from a HDD to an SSD on a number of occasions and don't use cloning. Depending on the software you use, cloning can give disk signature problems.
I have simply made a system image of the OS HDD partition and reimaged using (free) Macrium Reflect. You will need to make the rescue pe CD/DVD but Macrium will hold your hand here. Make sure your original HDD is disconnected when you reimage to the SSD using the rescue CD. Do not reconnect the original HDD so any additional data partitions will need to be copied to a new HDD before you go through this process.
Even if you end up with a misalignment (free) Partition Wizard will fix it for you.
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