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Windows 7: Fresh install. Good. Attach another SSD in order to dual-boot. Busted.

2 Weeks Ago   #1
Recusant

Windows 7 64Bit
 
 
Fresh install. Good. Attach another SSD in order to dual-boot. Busted.

Hi,

I've done a long-overdue clean install of Windows 7 and everything was fine (except for the 2-day wait for updates to become available). However, now i am trying to install a second SSD for the purposes of dual booting with Linux.

Windows just refuses to boot unless i disconnect that second SSD. There is no problem with detection or me not selecting the right boot device etc. Windows tries but fails to boot.

The bootloader loads and then it tells me that there was a problem starting windows. It gives me that white on black menu with (more or less): Try to repair the startup or boot normally. Both options simply return you to the same point after only a few seconds or if Grub is installed on the other drive it will hand over to Grub after saying "Windows is loading files..." - it will not boot into Windows.. Disconnect the other SSDs and everything works fine.

I used to dual-boot with this computer with these drives.

The only thing i can think of as being different is the BIOS setting was set for HDD before and now it is SSD. This was changed after the fresh Win7 install (i didn't even know it was a thing until i was having problems). It's an ASRock Extreme6 Z77 motherboard. The SSD setting does provide improved performance over the HDD setting so i'm loathed to return to it or reinstall with the SSD setting from the beginning. Note i tried to return the motherboard to Hard Drive setting but it made no difference.



Thanks.


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2 Weeks Ago   #2
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
I would remove the 7 ssd and then install the 2nd ssd and install linux,
I would also recommend using one of these to dual boot it makes life so much easier
Amazon.com: Vantec 2.5-Inch Dual Bay Trayless SATA III - 6G Mobile Rack (MRK-225S6-BK): Computers & Accessories

You might also end up with clock issues so refer to this
"Solved" Clock 6 hours advanced switching back to win-7 - Linux Mint Forums

Lastly updating issues
Windows Update will not update and I've tried multiple fixes

Clean install
windows update
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2 Weeks Ago   #3
AddRAM

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Did you have the Windows drive hooked up when you installed Linux ?
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2 Weeks Ago   #4
Recusant

Windows 7 64Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
I would remove the 7 ssd and then install the 2nd ssd and install linux,
That is on my to-do list, but i do not believe that will help me boot into Windows.

I've done a little more testing with a non-bootable HDD lying around and Windows boots fine with both attached.

I've also tried also changing cables around and that doesn't help.

I can boot into Linux SSD with Win7 SSD attached. No problems.

I've noticed in BIOS that i can set the boot device to either "Windows Boot Loader" or the actual SSD name. The actual SSD name will not allow me to boot - says along the lines of "non-bootable media, please insert blah blah". Using "Windows Boot Loader" allows me to boot (but not when i plug in the Linux SSD).
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2 Weeks Ago   #5
Recusant

Windows 7 64Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AddRAM View Post
Did you have the Windows drive hooked up when you installed Linux ?
The Linux install is pre-existing, and it works fine still.

I did not have the Linux drive installed when installing Win7. This is how i have previously done it and i didn't have a problem then.

I've re-installed Linux (different flavours) perhaps half a dozen times over the years and i've never seen this issue. I've also cloned my Win7 install from HDD to SSD to a different SSD over the years and also never had this problem.

I'm really confused. I'm not an expert but i'd probably border on a power user so i'm not a fool. But it is not often i re-install Windows from scratch so maybe times have changed and i'm just missing something obvious...

Now i did have a motherboard bios firmware update several months ago, but everything was working fine in my dual-boot arrangement.
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2 Weeks Ago   #6
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
All I've found in the past is it's better to keep Linux and windows as far away as possible from each other easy sway does that well that goes double for 7 & 10
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2 Weeks Ago   #7
Recusant

Windows 7 64Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
All I've found in the past is it's better to keep Linux and windows as far away as possible from each other easy sway does that well that goes double for 7 & 10
They are on different SSDs, that should be enough.

What is this "Windows Boot Loader" option in BIOS? I don't remember that before, i think it might have been introduced with the firmware update i did a few months ago. I think that might have something to do with my problems.

Question is, why would Windows see or care about what is on another SSD (with a different file system!). Why would the fact that is connected make any difference at all to Windows? What is Windows looking for?

EDIT: As my installation of Win7 was very old, it's quite possible it was first installed on legacy BIOS and not EUFI settings. It's been cloned twice but never re-installed from fresh since perhaps 3+ years ago. My brain hurts.
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2 Weeks Ago   #8
Recusant

Windows 7 64Bit
 
 

Hmm... i need 3 partitions for UEFI installation of Win7? I don't believe that's what i have.
UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) - Install Windows 7 with

In the past, i must have installed Win7 under legacy/bios mode because i did not have 3 partitions. My installation media is OEM and must've been purchased in the first few months of Win7's existence - so it's very old and with no SP1+.

I'm going to try and install Win7 on a spare drive using the instructions above and try attaching other drives again and see what it does.

QUESTION: i have a legit Win7 Pro x64 disc that was downloaded from the digitalriver thing a while ago which would be much newer. Can i use that? I presume that is a retail disc though.
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2 Weeks Ago   #9
AddRAM

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Of course you can use it.

It`s not a retail disc if you downloaded it, but there is no difference between an oem disc and a retail disc, only the activation keys are different.

You should download a fresh iso file with Service Pack 1.

I`m on my Windows 10 drive right now, and I don`t have the proper link stored, hopefully someone can post the direct Microsoft link for you to download Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64
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2 Weeks Ago   #10
Recusant

Windows 7 64Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AddRAM View Post
Of course you can use it.

It`s not a retail disc if you downloaded it, but there is no difference between an oem disc and a retail disc, only the activation keys are different.

You should download a fresh iso file with Service Pack 1.

I`m on my Windows 10 drive right now, and I don`t have the proper link stored, hopefully someone can post the direct Microsoft link for you to download Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64
Thanks - i already have the download from maybe a year ago. I got it while it was still available as i heard it was being taken down.
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