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Windows 7: win 7 system reserved

06 Mar 2010   #21

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by nate42nd View Post
I would listen to SIW2 and delete it. If you're not using BitLocker you will never know it's gone. I install without it on all my personal installs.

Install without 100MB partition new drive
Is that possible to full back up when deleting system reserved?

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06 Mar 2010   #22

XP MCE .... XP Pro 64 .... W7 U x64
 
 

No Problem if you're using Acronis ..
With or without the reserved Partition .. of any size.
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06 Mar 2010   #23

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by panais View Post
I insist,for some reason its necessary to have 40mb system reserved to START the backup NOT to save the backup.For saving the backup i have 2 hard disk 1.5TB each.
I have test it 3 times when my system reserved has free space 40mb and more the backup started and finish properly.And another 3 times when system reserved free space was below 40mb the backup gave me the 0x80780119 error
OK Then here is a MS link that says: "
System Partition Requirements

Basic system partition requirements are:
  • Must have at least 100 megabytes (MB) of hard drive space.
  • Must have enough free space to create shadow copies of the partition.
    • If the partition is less than 500 MB, it must have at least 50 MB of free space."
Understanding Disk Partitions

So basically, the "Reserved System" can be 100MB or larger, even a GB!

Since the built-in Windows 7 Disk Management Utility is not capable of doing this, I would recommend you try the free Partition Wizard Utility. Down load the iso file, use Windows 7 to "burn the disc image" (so it is bootable), boot to the CD and shrink the second partition (say 100MB) and then extend the "System Reserved" partition to 200MB. Vista and the 7 Beta used a 200MB partition, so there is no reason you can't use a 200MB partition.

Hope this helps!
Robert
Yeeeessss!!! The partition wizard is GREAT!
Not only increase the system reserved but has made it healthy again(was damaged).
The backup now start and completed normaly.
Thanks iseeuu!!
I just install the partition wizard,made some changes,and then restart,i dident use the cd.


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06 Mar 2010   #24

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

If noyb would stop banging on about his beloved app. for a minute... LOL

Yes, you can use any backup app. including Windows system backup ( if you must ) without the 100mb partition.

I agree with noyb - there are much better apps. out there.

As well as Acronis ( not free ), there are some great FREE ones:

Macrium is very small and fast - but you have to use the boot disc to restore with the free version.

Macrium Reflect FREE Edition - Information and download

Paragon Backup and Recovery 10 Free has the most functions of any free back up app. You can restore from within Windows with it, tho. always make aboot disc in case you can't get into Windows at all.

Backup & Recovery Free Edition

It isn't especially fast ( just a bit quicker than than windows system backup - tho. the image size is considerably smaller). It is also vastly more flexible than Windows system backup.
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06 Mar 2010   #25

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1
 
 

A!Btw i was write then,the system reserved is necessary if you want to use the win 7 back up>--->Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Backup and Restore....
Problem Solved.
Thanks EVERYBODY for helping!
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06 Mar 2010   #26

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by panais View Post
Yeeeessss!!! The partition wizard is GREAT!
Its not only increase the system reserved but has made it healthy again(was damaged).
The backup now start and completed normaly.
Thanks iseeuu!!
I just install the partition wizard,made some changes,and then restart,i dident use the cd.
Yes, you are right, there is a Partition Wizard version you can install, instead of using the CD. I am glad that worked for you.

As the minimum size is 100MB, your 99MB just didn't work.

Keeping the "System Reserved" partition offers you some advantages:
You have a separate boot partition
You have some repair utilities available at boot
You can avoid the 4 Primary Partition limitation because the rest of your hard drive can be an extended partition with as many logical drives as there are letters left in the alphabet. This may become more popular as more 2TB + hard drives are used in home computers?
...just to name a few.

We all are glad you got your system sorted out.

Happy surfing!
Robert
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06 Mar 2010   #27

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by panais View Post
Yeeeessss!!! The partition wizard is GREAT!
Its not only increase the system reserved but has made it healthy again(was damaged).
The backup now start and completed normaly.
Thanks iseeuu!!
I just install the partition wizard,made some changes,and then restart,i dident use the cd.
Yes, you are right, there is a Partition Wizard version you can install, instead of using the CD. I am glad that worked for you.

As the minimum size is 100MB, your 99MB just didn't work.

Keeping the "System Reserved" partition offers you some advantages:
You have a separate boot partition
You have some repair utilities available at boot
You can avoid the 4 Primary Partition limitation because the rest of your hard drive can be an extended partition with as many logical drives as there are letters left in the alphabet. This may become more popular as more 2TB + hard drives are used in home computers?
...just to name a few.

We all are glad you got your system sorted out.

Happy surfing!
Robert
Which size is the maximum for system reserved?
I i increase it to 300mb,is that enough?
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06 Mar 2010   #28

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

No, it is not necessary to have the separate system reserved partition to use any backup imaging app. If you want to restore from within Windows and you want Windows Sys backup to boot up the recovery environment automatically , then having the separate sys reserved partition will do that.

You can easily add the windows recovery environment to your boot menu , if you wish . You don't need the separate sys reserved partition to do that.
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06 Mar 2010   #29

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
No, it is not necessary to have the separate system reserved partition to use any backup imaging app. If you want to restore from within Windows and you want Windows Sys backup to boot up the recovery environment automatically , then having the separate sys reserved partition will do that.

You can easily add the windows recovery environment to your boot menu , if you wish . You don't need the separate sys reserved partition to do that.
SIW2
We talk for the Windows 7 internal backup (Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Backup and Restore) not for any third party back up software.Win 7 back up needs the system reserved to work.
Thanks.
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06 Mar 2010   #30

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

NO. If you want to do the control panel thing to automatically boot the recovery environment from within windows - then , yes , it will do that if you have the sys reserved partition.

However, if you don't have the sys reserved partition , you can easily add the recovery environment to your boot menu - just select it from there, instead of via the control panel.
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