| Windows 7: AHCI - DON'T Forget it! |
22 Mar 2010
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#1 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 OEM |
AHCI - DON'T Forget it! I am planning a fresh install of Windows 7 x64 to help clear the slate on some odd occasional issues that popped up on my system. In some of my reading, I learned a VERY LITTLE about AHCI. Setting it in the bios BEFORE installing the OS- as opposed to turning it on afterward an install can be kind of a pain in the butt. AHCI can increase performance on SSD drives and that's what brought it to my attention.
That, is the extent of what I know about Advanced Host Controller Interface.
So what do I need to know about AHCI? Why not turn it on for any computer with SATA drives before installing the OS? SSD or standard spinning drives... | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 OEM CPU i7 940 @4.55 Motherboard ASUS Rampage II Extreme X58 BIOS Version 1802 1/28/2010 Memory Corsair XMS3 12GB DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) CAS 9 9-9-9-24 Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX 295 Sound Card X-Fi Xtreme Monitor(s) Displays Gateway FPD2275W Screen Resolution 1680X1050 Keyboard Deck Legend Mouse Logitech G5 PSU Silverstone Decathlon DA850 Case Antec 1200 Cooling XIGMATEK Dark Knight - S1283 Hard Drives Crucial RealSSD 256MB, VelociRaptor 300(x2), Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB (x3) Other Info ASUS Model U3S6 USB 3.0 & SATA 6Gb/s Add-on card |
22 Mar 2010
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#2 | | |
Native Command Queuing (NCQ) is the potential "benefit" of AHCI. The hot-plug and power stuff is kind of moot.
NCQ seems more applicable to servers vs. desktops. Don't worry about it. I'd like to learn more about controller microcode to see what can be done from the OS side to speed up I/O operations (read-ahead, etc.). | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 CPU AMD Phenom II X2 (dual-core) Motherboard GA-MA785GM-US2H Memory 4G Graphics Card integrated ATI HD 4200 Sound Card integrated Monitor(s) Displays Samsung 24" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Microsoft Digital Media Pro Mouse Logitech WIRED! PSU Ultra X4 500W Case Ultra X-blaster Hard Drives 1 SATA (750GB, 32MB cache, 7200 RPM)
1 IDE (80GB, 8MB cache, 7200 RPM)
1 SSD (Intel 320, 120GB, installed but not activated) Internet Speed 15 Mbps FIOS |
22 Mar 2010
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#3 | | Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |
The rule of thumb for Windows 7 installs is to first try SATA controller set to ACHI in BIOS setup, then if it won't install use IDE.
Some cannot install without ACHI, others cannot install with it - it is chipset dependent. | My System Specs | | |
23 Mar 2010
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#4 | | win 7 ultimate nottingham |
you can always read BFK's excellent tutorial AHCI : Enable in Windows 7 / Vista | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number self build OS win 7 ultimate CPU amd phenom x4 9600 Motherboard asus m2n32-sli deluxe Memory corsair twinxs 2x2gb Graphics Card 2x nvidia 1gb 8500gt Sound Card onboard Monitor(s) Displays 19" lg ring tft PSU oryxx tornado 750w Case thermaltake xaser lll Cooling artic freezer64 pro + 7 case fans Hard Drives maxtor sata 500gb
maxtor sata 320gb
fujitsu sata200gb |
24 Mar 2010
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#5 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 OEM |
Is the explanation just that simple? The we pretty much should always look for this these days before we install an OS! It should be listed as part of the list to check off right next to making sure you have all the drivers you need for your MoBo. Man- I wasn't looking and the world changed on me again! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 OEM CPU i7 940 @4.55 Motherboard ASUS Rampage II Extreme X58 BIOS Version 1802 1/28/2010 Memory Corsair XMS3 12GB DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) CAS 9 9-9-9-24 Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX 295 Sound Card X-Fi Xtreme Monitor(s) Displays Gateway FPD2275W Screen Resolution 1680X1050 Keyboard Deck Legend Mouse Logitech G5 PSU Silverstone Decathlon DA850 Case Antec 1200 Cooling XIGMATEK Dark Knight - S1283 Hard Drives Crucial RealSSD 256MB, VelociRaptor 300(x2), Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB (x3) Other Info ASUS Model U3S6 USB 3.0 & SATA 6Gb/s Add-on card |
24 Mar 2010
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#6 | | |
I think that AHCI is a tossup depending upon your hardware. For example, on my computer with a Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R Rev 1.1 mobo with the F9 BIOS...when you enable AHCI you are presented with an 8 second delay on each and every reboot as the system initializes the controller. In addition, with tools such as HDTune and HDTach, when AHCI is enabled my read and write speeds drop by a few MB/s.
And the "potential benefits" from NCQ don't seem to actually make hardly any difference whatsoever based on a bunch of timing tests, reboots, and benchmarks.
Therefore, I know that I lose exactly 8 seconds at each boot and I don't believe that I gain those 8 seconds back within an hour or two of using the computer from NCQ.....so for this reason I leave my computer in IDE mode and feel it provides the best performance with my configuration. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS Internet Speed 15/2 cable modem Other Info Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset. |
02 Sep 2011
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#7 | | Windows 7x32 Home Premium & XP SP3 x86 Tucson, AZ |
It has already been stated that AHCI is more or less dependent upon the platform that you are using. When I had trouble installing Windows 7, I was repeatedly asked if my SATA Controller was set to AHCI or IDE. Apparently, my controller takes care of that itself.
I assume that I am but my BIOS does not offer those options (AHCI or IDE). | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Polywell OS Windows 7x32 Home Premium & XP SP3 x86 CPU Athlon 64FX Motherboard ASUS M2N32SLI Delux Memory Corsair CM2X1024-8500C5 Graphics Card GeForce 7950X2 (Dual) Monitor(s) Displays ViewSonic A90f+ (Two) Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Logitech Mouse Logitech PSU TurboColl 1KW Case Polywell Cooling Cool'n'Quiet (Questionable Operation) Hard Drives WD1500ADFD-00NLR1 (Originally Raid5)
Changed to three individual drives after HD crashed. May return to RAID5 if I locate a suitable HD. Internet Speed 1GHertz (I think) Other Info Sony CD-RW CRX320EE
HP DVD Writer 1140d (may need to replace??) |
02 Sep 2011
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#8 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Philadelphia, PA |
AHCI for an SSD drive is a given, because it allows the Windows 7 installer to recognize the SSD and configure itself for an SSD on the fly. As for spinners, I doubt it makes much difference, but I never saw a reason not to use AHCI. I only use Intel-based chipsets, so there's never any extra drivers to load during the install. Always seems straight-forward to me. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-2600 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P-B3 Memory 12 GB Patriot Extreme DDR3-1333 Graphics Card Nvidia GTX 470 Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp 2209WA PSU OCZ ModStream 700W Case CoolerMaster HAF 912 Advanced Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus Hard Drives OCZ Agility3 240 GB, WD5001AALS, WD7501AALS AHCI - DON'T Forget it! problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:10 PM. | |