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Windows 7: exFAT format??

24 Apr 2009   #21
nate42nd

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

I see....thanks for clarifying that.


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24 Apr 2009   #22
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64, W10 Pro x64 dual boot - Second remote tower W7 Pro x64
 
 

From what I've been on this someone with an old board that won't support NTFS is using an odd method for trying to get 7 running on a Fat32 volume there. The information was that the early 7 builds can't while it may be supported with the RCs in some type of customized environment.

For a good wotking installation and not any type of virtual hard drive or VM machine you still won't be able to top NTFS for XP right on up through 7 from the start. The essentials for the NT cored versions from the start are still orientated towards the NT File System with the XP exception being the 9x-ME replacement.
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11 May 2009   #23
mrgcav

Vista Ultimate x64 & Windows 7 x64
 
 
ExFAT is missing

I have a quad boot system, Vista x86 ultimate, Two Vista x64 Ultimate & Windows 7 RC v7100.
I am a Pro and also a MS Beta Tester for Windows 7.
After installing Win 7 7000. I was able to format two partitions in ExFAT.
Yes I have pics if you need proof.
I never liked NTFS, too much overhead and impossible to recover files from.
But with the RC version I no longer have the option to format in ExFAT using the disk management.
In order to format ExFAT you need to use the command line editor but run as administrator.
Start > Type in the search box "command", right click the result and run as administrator.
Open a Command window. C:\windows\system32> .
C:\windows\system32>Format X: /A:64K /FS:ExFAT
Where X is the letter of the drive to be formatted.
A Is the Cluster Size.
FS is the File System type.
Type "Format /?" for help

My point is that EXFat is better than NTFS for most pourposes. But not as good for Formatting small drives under 32.0 GB.
Theoretically ExFAT should have as good if not better file recovery potential than FAT32.

I suggest anyone interested in ExFAT, write MS and tell them to include it as standard in the final version of Win 7.


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11 May 2009   #24
darkassain

Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mrgcav View Post
I have a quad boot system, Vista x86 ultimate, Two Vista x64 Ultimate & Windows 7 RC v7100.
I am a Pro and also a MS Beta Tester for Windows 7.
After installing Win 7 7000. I was able to format two partitions in ExFAT.
Yes I have pics if you need proof.
I never liked NTFS, too much overhead and impossible to recover files from.
But with the RC version I no longer have the option to format in ExFAT.
My point is that EXFat is better than NTFS for most pourposes. But not as good for Formatting small drives under 32.0 GB.
Theoretically ExFAT should have as good if not better file recovery potential than FAT32.

I suggest anyone interested in ExFAT, write MS and tell them to include it as standard in the final version of Win 7.
you said after installing...
baarod specifically said *during* the install...
i believe any drive can be partitioned to exfat as long as its a external drive...
the built in formater in Win7 will not let you format any internal drive to other than ntfs (as of the RC...)
and also please delete your email as this is to prevent spammers....
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20 Nov 2009   #25
hoak

Server 2003
 
 

It is possible to format your drive in exFAT before install with Windows 7; if you hit ALT-F10 at the first setup screen you open command prompt and can use the command line to format any partition in exFAT: "format C: /FS:exFAT". It even looks like diskpart will allow you to make an exFAT volume bootable though I have not yet attempted this or installing Windows 7 to a formatted exFAT partition.

Considering Microsoft's competition for small form factor 'Netbooks', and their performance limitations -- it would seem a smart move for Microsoft to incorporate some manner of workaround for hard-linking on exFAT, at least in the 'Home Basic' edition of Windows 7 where there are fewer features to float and the most benefit can be had.

As benchmarks prove exFAT offers substantial performance improvement over NTFS and not just because of last access time stamps or 8.3 compatibility mode extended data, NTFS is a very old kludge file system and like a lot of Windows system internals has many performance limitations due to enormous feature float and building on legacy code for compatibility.

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20 Nov 2009   #26
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64, W10 Pro x64 dual boot - Second remote tower W7 Pro x64
 
 

Welcome to the Se7en Forums! hoak

While NTFS is a bit old it is due for an upgrade from the present 5.0 standard while you can still access drives that ran Windows 2000 MS wanting some backward compatibility there.

The NT File System is still more secure then even the newer exFat which is intended mainly as an improved Fat for storage medium there. 7 still uses NTFS as the native file system but provides support for exFat being seeing on external hard drives used for storage and usb flash drives which typically come with an exFat volume on them.

This is one thing that lacked for Vista there without a preinstalled software included on a new addon drive or device. The exFat allows for getting past the old Fat 32 partition size limitations there.
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26 Mar 2010   #27
cclloyd9785

Windows 7 Home Premium x64, Mac OS X 10.6.2 x64
 
 

Although not sure about installing 7 to exFAT, you can format to exfat during the setup with diskpart.

Just boot from the CD, go to repair my computer, and open a cmd

type

diskpart
list disk
select disk #
list part
select part # (unnecessary if there is only one partition)
format fs=exfat -q
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26 Mar 2010   #28
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64, W10 Pro x64 dual boot - Second remote tower W7 Pro x64
 
 

I doubt very much the OP or hoak even will read the reply here after this amount of time being started last year. Everyone has moved onto newer threads.
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01 Apr 2010   #29
kambohg

xp
 
 

dear brother i have 128GB USB but it works and formated on windows 7 and vista also works on xp also but its not formeted on xp and not showing its size but its work fine i can del transfer move ion xp but we cant formate and in win 7 usb shows exfat formate and plz tell me have u any way which willl make exfat formate in xp and i will instal it in usb also and when i will sale customer will instal it and use it plz help me thanks
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06 Apr 2010   #30
hoak

Server 2003
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
While NTFS is a bit old it is due for an upgrade from the present 5.0 standard while you can still access drives that ran Windows 2000 MS wanting some backward compatibility there.
Well any system (PC) running on any FS; FAT, FAT32, exFAT, HPFS -- and even Linux can access any flavor of NTFS if a system has an NTFS IFS driver -- so that's a fairly weak argument for continuing or building on the bloated legacy that is NTFS, which in turn is a derivative of (and some would argue purloined and better) even older HPFS...


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
The NT File System is still more secure then even the newer exFat which is intended mainly as an improved Fat for storage medium there.
More secure in what way? All iterations of FAT are and remain more recoverable then any version of NTFS... If you're referring to NTFS 'integrated' encryption; it's little different then 3rd Party solutions that will do the same on all iterations of FAT and NTFS, HPTF and even EXT -- perform better, offer all the same features like bootable encrypted IFS, and again are more recoverable and faster.

If you meant that NTFS is more fault tolerant because of journaling -- even that's arguable depending on your criterion for evaluating fault tolerance...

I'm not saying exFAT is 'superior' to NTFS, but if one qualifies how a particular system is to be used, and if exFAT were bootable and supported hard links -- it could easily be superior to NTFS for many home Users and Gamers where performance and recoverability are primary concerns, and especially SSDs where MTBF and performance are valid concerns.

The main reason NTFS prevails, is updated and present on consumer PCs is because it's an 'all eggs in one basket' solution for Microsoft with their monolithic approach to code; most Consumers don't benefit from or use any of the features realized in NTFS, and the few they do could easily be rolled into exFAT...


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
I doubt very much the OP or hoak even will read the reply here after this amount of time being started last year. Everyone has moved onto newer threads.
Well it's an interesting topic, and while Members here don't seem particularly interested or concerend; it's still an active topic of discussion on the, Microsoft Developer & TechNet Forums, Netbook, OCZ's and a few other SSD forums -- where Hackers, Gamers and Experimenters see the potential of exFAT as performance alternative to the parade float of performance robbing features and bad coding practice NTFS has become...

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