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Windows 7: .wtv and .dvr-ms files (Media Center TV Recordings)


09 Nov 2011   #11

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

AllOnTheBus -

Glad to see you're getting on top of your video prob. There's no single 'best video editor' - you choose the right tool for the job.

Since you seem to be into graphics here's a couple of my fav toys

TechSmith | Camtasia Screen Recorder Software, Home

and Maxon's Cinema 4D

MAXON: Home

both have free trials

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09 Nov 2011   #12

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit OS
 
 

Thankyou for the input kado

Cant say I did try that - then again it was the first time I had used WLMM
as well. I guess I should try that before my remaining 13 days of VRD trial
runs out.

I would hate to spend good money if there was no need for it of course, on the
other hand, as I said before, I found VRD VERY easy to use and also found that
it was easier to trim the video as the frames were split into a lot smaller
sections (I think while I'm checking out your first suggestion I better check
if there is a setting for that also!). I'm guessing that is what is referred to as frame rate, so
I guess I should see if WLMM can show more frames per second?


Ty very much for your suggestion - cheers

Edit: Didn't see that you had been back again Jed - thanks
again for the links mate - I'm sure that you have spent valuable
time helping me out and I appreciate the fact. I'll just keep plodding along
and see how I go from here, guess I can't learn unless I have some
trial AND error!
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09 Nov 2011   #13

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 / WinXP Pro x86 on (2)
 
 

Well, let's complicate your life just a bit more...

My own situation starts off, like yours, recording digital HDTV programs using my TV tuner cards (I have both a Ceton 4-tuner cablecard enabled card fed from my cable company's coax, as well as an ATI TV Wonder 650 PCI OTA/ATSC 1-tuner card fed from my roof antenna coax) in my desktop PC, using WMC. These are WTV files, and of course only the copy-freely WTV files can be edited further.

When I want to preserve something from one of these WTV files my approach and technique varies depending on whether I'm going to produce (a) a video file for my PC, with either original HD quality or reduced AVI quality, or (b) a BluRay disc version with original HD quality.

To produce a "HD clip" for viewing on PC from the original HDTV program, I simply use VRD to edit the original WTV file, and save the result in MPG "wrapper" form. It's the original MPEG-2 data but in an MPG wrapper instead of TS wrapper, which allows it to be played by Windows Media Player. VLC can play either (and essentially anything), but I actually like WMP when playing back HDTV.

To produce an excellent quality but re-compressed AVI version of that HD clip, I will again first edit with VRD and save to MPG. Then I use VirtualDub (with the MPEG-2 plugin) to read the edited MPG/MPEG-2 clip, and save to AVI using xVid (with high-quality encoding parameters, along with "smart de-interlace" plugin for 1080i originals) to compress the video but use "direct stream copy" on the audio (because I want to retain the original DD5.1/AC-3 audio if present). I've also tried using x264 (i.e. H.264) to encode the video but feel more at home with xVid, and the results are indistinguishable to my eyes. The AVI clip produced is still original 16:9 and really is virtually indistinguishable from the HDTV original even if I choose to re-size 1920x1080 to 1280x720 if I want to reduce the size of the AVI.

To produce authored BluRay with ZERO RE-COMPRESSION of the edited HDTV (i.e. producing a playable BDMV authored BluRay disc with titles, chapters, thumbnails, navigation, etc.) I use a program named multiAVCHD. Again, VRD is used to do the editing with the edited results saved either as TS or MPG as multiAVCHD can accept either format and recognize that zero re-compression is required if you want to produce BDMV output from the MPEG-2 content. The folders and files for BDMV are produced by multiAVCHD, and then the BluRay disc itself is burned from these folders and files by IMGBURN. Actually, if the total program duration of the results from multiAVCHD can fit on a single-layer or double-layer blank DVD media, you can actually use this technique to create BDMV on a conventional DVD (which saves money, since true BluRay blank media is expensive).


So I do not use WLMM to make my AVI's from WTV. Nor do I involve WMV at all. My work flow is WTV edited with VRD and saved as MPG. The edited MPG is read into VirtualDub and converted directly to AVI by VirtualDub using xVid, retaining the original DD5.1/AC-3 audio.

And if I want to produce a permanent DVD/BluRay disc for posterity, I do not want to produce a re-compressed AVI from what was HDTV original content. I choose to use multiAVCHD/IMGBURN to produce authored BDMV (on single-layer DVD, double-layer DVD, or BluRay) with un-recompressed 100% original HDTV content. I want to be able to view this in its 100% original HDTV quality forever and anything less than that does not meet my goal.
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09 Nov 2011   #14

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AllOnTheBus View Post
Thankyou for the input kado

Cant say I did try that - then again it was the first time I had used WLMM
as well. I guess I should try that before my remaining 13 days of VRD trial
runs out.

I would hate to spend good money if there was no need for it of course, on the
other hand, as I said before, I found VRD VERY easy to use and also found that
it was easier to trim the video as the frames were split into a lot smaller
sections (I think while I'm checking out your first suggestion I better check
if there is a setting for that also!). I'm guessing that is what is referred to as frame rate, so
I guess I should see if WLMM can show more frames per second?


Ty very much for your suggestion - cheers
I don't think there are any frame-rate settings in WLMM. I think it is dependent on whether you save it for PAL (25fps) or NTSC (29fps).

You might like to try Freemake Video converter. I think that can convert WTV files. The editing capabilities are a bit basic but everything else is good. Freemake | Best Freeware Alternatives To Paid Video Software
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09 Nov 2011   #15

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit OS
 
 

dsperber I knew you knew what you were talking about!!

OMG- MY HEAD HURTS - LOL

If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port
And the bus is interrupted at a very last resort
And the access of the memory makes your floppy disk abort
Then the socket packet pocket has an error to report...

........
........

Thanks ds & kado
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09 Nov 2011   #16

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AllOnTheBus View Post
dsperber I knew you knew what you were talking about!!

OMG- MY HEAD HURTS - LOL

If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port
And the bus is interrupted at a very last resort
And the access of the memory makes your floppy disk abort
Then the socket packet pocket has an error to report...

........
........

Thanks ds & kado
I know what you mean. Fighting your way through video options is enough to try a saint.
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11 Nov 2011   #17

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit OS
 
 

Just thought I'd post some results back here

Tried the widescreen 16:9 aspect ratio setting as suggested by kado
and outputted the dvr-ms file to .wmv

Used all the save options within WLMM again, these being: Standard
1020p
720p
and 480p

The result with all was that there was still black bars present around
the playback. However, this time when I viewed any of these in
VLC Media Player, I changed the crop option in here to 16:10 and
was able to view full screen. The picture looked a little washed out I
guess but the quality loss was minimal. There did seem to be a flicker
or stutter sort of effect when there were rolling credits at the end of the program,
however it is a comedy show and they may make it like this as their final
laugh at the viewing audience!! I'll watch on regular TV and see.

This still doesn't change the fact that VRD converts to the format I
am used to seeing and many others for that matter (future learning curve),
and for it's ease of use I think they've still sold a copy. I tried XMedia Recode
and a few other freewares but found them to be to complicated for my liking.
Guess joining this forum was free but has now cost me $95 lol

Thankyou everyone who has joined in this convo and for all your help
One more question - how to close a thread?
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12 Nov 2011   #18

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

The tread starter should have a button to close the thread or anyone can report the post as solved which I will now do.
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19 Nov 2011   #19

Win 7
 
 

When I use Freemake Video Converter, it only seems to convert to about 22 or 23 minutes. It says it's complete but none of the 6 files I've tried complete to the end. In fact, after I add the video and choose the format to convert, it even shows the size of the show to only be 22 ish minutes. Anyone else run into this?
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20 Nov 2011   #20

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Oh dear. I've just tried it myself with the same results. I guess there is a bug. I'll report it and see what they say.



I have emailed their support with the issue. When I get an answer I'll report back.
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