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Windows 7: can not play recorded tv?


19 Mar 2012   #1

Windows 7 Professional
 
 
can not play recorded tv?

hello all,

just recorded most of season 2 of the walking dead series yesterday. when i try to play the file in wmc i get the following message:

copying prohibited
the broadcaster prohibits this content from being copied.
you can only play this content on the same computer on
which it was recorded.

that is exactly what i am trying to do. play it on the same computer i recorded it on. any ideas? thank you in advance!

-len

windows 7 professional

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20 Mar 2012   #2

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
 
 

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20 Mar 2012   #3

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 / WinXP Pro x86 on (2)
 
 

Can you please provide details of your hardware arrangement, type of TV tuners (internal or external, manufacturer and model, etc.), cablecard setup, cable company or provider, etc..

Also, how are you trying to play back the show? In other words, are you playing it on the monitor of the HTPC you recorded it on? On an HDTV, connected via HDMI/DVI to your video card on the HTPC? Some other method?

Were you able to actually watch the shows you recorded before you set up the recordings? If so, then there's no question you should have been able to record them and play back those recordings.

It's certainly true that if your cable provider marks content (e.g. from AMCHD) as "copy-once" then you need a cablecard-enabled tuner to view them and record them usably. And it does need to be the same machine and installed Windows 7 that did the recording in order to play it back.

But if your setup allowed you to view the programs, you certainly should have been able to record and play back the recordings on that machine.

Need details.
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20 Mar 2012   #4

Windows 7 Professional
 
 

hello,

thank you for your response. here is my set up:

i have an internal hauppauge hvr-1250. i also have a samsung set top cable box. my service provider is cablevision in new york. i am using windows media center to view live tv and record.

as far as playback goes, i am playing it on the monitor of the pc i recorded it on. which is an hp2311x connected via dvi to a radeon x1300 video card. this is not an hd setup.

i watch and record shows all the time without problems. this particular set of of recordings came from the amc channel. i am able to view this channel, via live tv in wmc, as i type this. these were scheduled recordings so i was not at my computer during the recordings so i can't answer your question about viewing them before recording. i assume the answer is yes, though.

thanks for any help you can provide!
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20 Mar 2012   #5

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 / WinXP Pro x86 on (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LenG58 View Post
i have an internal hauppauge hvr-1250.
This card is not capable of receiving encrypted (i.e. copy-protected "copy-once" programs) delivered by your cable service. To support this you need a cablecard in the TV tuner, and the HVR-1250 is not such a TV tuner. It can only support clear QAM from a cable company, not encrypted copy-once content.

When the coax connector is used, the HVR-1250 is intended only for (a) OTA/ATSC "copy-freely" digital content from a roof antenna, as well as (b) clear QAM "copy-freely" digital content from a cable provider. Alternatively you can feed it S-video (which is analog, not digital) for example from the S-video output of your Samsung STB (but this is 480i 4:3 analog, not 720p/1080i 16:9 digital HD).

But since it is NOT cablecard-enabled it CANNOT be used to receive encrypted copy-once (which WMC will treat as "copy protected") content from your cable provider... if Cablevision in NY delivers content as copy-once. For example, here in TWC/LA virtually every basic/premium channel is delivered as copy-once, including AMCHD. Only local networks channels (e.g. NBC, CBS, etc.) which you can receive OTA/ATSC via roof antenna are delivered by TWC/LA as copy-freely "clear QAM" unencrypted.

So your Hauppauge card can only be used to feed unencrypted channels to WMC. If AMCHD is provided by NYC Cablevision as copy-once, then you are SOL. The results you now see are exactly expected.

But that's why I asked what channel you actually tune to when you view AMCHD live. If you are tuning to a Cablevision channel through the Hauppauge tuner then it must be copy-freely clear QAM, and you should have no problem recording and playing it back. But I speculate that you are not tuning to that channel when you view it live... and you must be viewing it through your Samsung STB (S-video) analog connection, which isn't HDTV at all but rather is the 480i SD version.


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i also have a samsung set top cable box. my service provider is cablevision in new york. i am using windows media center to view live tv and record.
But what source/channel is your AMCHD channel being viewed from, when you view it live?

And is this the same channel you specify for the recordings? I speculate NOT.

How is your Samsung STB connected to your PC, if you can view things from it as well? S-video? I can't imagine any other way for you to be viewing it through the Hauppauge card than an S-video analog connection.


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i watch and record shows all the time without problems. this particular set of of recordings came from the amc channel. i am able to view this channel, via live tv in wmc, as i type this. these were scheduled recordings so i was not at my computer during the recordings so i can't answer your question about viewing them before recording. i assume the answer is yes, though.
You're not providing enough clear, precise, non-ambiguous information.

You have TWO sources for feeding WMC, it seems to me: (a) you probably have one side of a split coax going to the coax connector on the HVR-1250, and (b) you probably have the other side of that split coax going to the Samsung STB which then is connected via S-video to the HVR-1250. Is this right or wrong?

Then, what precise channel do you tune to when you watch AMCHD via WMC? Are you watching it through a channel provided from the coax input (which would imply clear QAM, unencrypted copy-freely delivery of AMCHD from Cablevision to you)? Or are you watching it through S-video fed from the Samsung STB?

And then which tuner/channel do you specify for the setup of your recording? If you watch from the Samsung STB (via S-video) and thought you could just specify the digital cable channel (feeding the coax connector on the HVR-1250, but encrypted so that it is useless to the HVF-1250 which does not have a cablecard) and do the recording, well you can't. The results you're getting now are exactly what would be expected if AMCHD is delivered copy-once by Cablevision.

Your symptoms imply that Cablevision is delivering AMCHD as copy-once encrypted copy-protected and you tried to record this channel (which is why WMC won't play it back for you, since you need a cablecard to decrypt it which the HVR-1250 does not have).

I'm suspecting you've been watching AMCHD (or so you thought) using the analog 480i 4:3 letterboxed SD S-video input to the HVR-1250 coming from the Samsung STB, not from the coax connection into the HVR-1250.

So... please clarify. Provide channel numbers, cabling connections to the HVR-1250, and exactly what/how you set up your recordings, vs. how you actually watch AMCHD live.


P.S. - I don't think WMC supports S-video input, so I'm actually baffled to grasp how you're making any use whatsoever of your Samsung STB to feed WMC in your PC? Need more details, please.
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20 Mar 2012   #6

Windows 7 Professional
 
 

as mentioned this is not an hd set up. my coax cable(from cablevision) goes into the back of the stb (which has a cablecard) and then from the stb to the hvr-1250. i do *not* use s-video.

when i watch live, or record, the source is the stb. i recorded channel 43 which is amc. i use the wmc guide to watch live and set scheduled recordings. as a test i just recorded 30 seconds of "independence day" on hbo. i was able to watch the 30 second clip in wmc with no problem.

i hope i am providing the necessary info for you to help and i appreciate you taking the time to try and help!
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20 Mar 2012   #7

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 / WinXP Pro x86 on (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LenG58 View Post
as mentioned this is not an hd set up. my coax cable(from cablevision) goes into the back of the stb (which has a cablecard) and then from the stb to the hvr-1250. i do *not* use s-video.
Ok. No S-video.

But then what happens??? The STB is connected to the HVR-1250 how... by coax??? Coax out of the STB to coax in on the HVR-1250?? What is the connection from STB to HVR-1250?

Is your HVR-125- set to tune to "channel 3"?? Apparently not. It's apparently set to tune to channel 43, but I don't understand how channel 43 can be delivered over coax out of the STB. Makes no sense to me.

Coax out of a STB is 480i SD only, and is normally supposed to go to an old fashioned TV tuned to channel 3/4. The coax delivers only SD content, not HD content. It is not a digital delivery method OUT of the STB. Only the original coax can provide digital channels to the QAM tuner in the HVR-1250.

So... do you have the Cablevision coax split, with one side going to the STB and the other side going to the HVR-1250? I cannot believe you have coax out of the STB going to the HVR-1250.


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when i watch live, or record, the source is the stb. i recorded channel 43 which is amc. i use the wmc guide to watch live and set scheduled recordings. as a test i just recorded 30 seconds of "independence day" on hbo. i was able to watch the 30 second clip in wmc with no problem.
Well I'm completely baffled, although I'm guessing channel 43 is not the HD version of AMC is it? Is it the SD version? Isn't there a second HD channel for AMCHD, separate from the SD version channel? Or does Cablevision deliver its HD version of AMCHD on channel 43? Do you have two AMC channels (one SD and one HD) or just one?

For example, here in TWC/LA AMC standard definition channel is 46 and the separate second high definition channel is 479. The AMCHD content on 479 is of course true 16:9 1080i high definition, and the AMC content on 46 is the 4:3 letterboxed 480i version of the same 16:9 content which is on 479 (since AMC letterboxes its 480i delivery which is downconverted from the 1080i 16:9 original HD version, which is why its 480i looks so good... although it still is 480i SD and not true 1080i HD).

Same with HBO... 503 is SD HBO (4:3 480i) and 427 is HD HBO (16:9 1080i).

But the 480i SD content on channel 46 is NOT copy-protected (at least I'm almost certain it's not, since I don't ever watch SD channels). In contrast, the 1080i HD content on 479 IS copy-protected. The "suits" couldn't care less what you do with content from 486. They only care about the digital HD content on 479.


I cannot fathom how you can get HBO delivered from your STB to the HVR-1250 and WMC for viewing/recording... using a coax from the STB to the HVR-1250... so that WMC on the PC is tuned to the specific HBO channel.

Is WMC and HVR-1250 somehow controlling the tuning on the STB remotely, so that you actually are "tuning" (the STB) to HBO, and then the STB is simply delivering its HBO output over coax and the HVR-1250 is really tuned to channel 3?

I must obviously not understand how the HVR-1250 works, nor can I imagine how the STB delivers a tunable channel 43 from its coax output (unless it's a pure pass-through, as if it were a split coax).
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20 Mar 2012   #8

Windows 7 Professional
 
 

yes the stb is connnected to the hvr-1250 by coax. so, coax out of the stb to coax into the hvr-1250. sorry for earlier confusion. the hvr-1250 is tuned to channel 3.

cablevision provides hd signal on channel 43. so channel 43 is a hd channel. my stb is a hd box but the hvr-1250 does not give me hd when using a stb.
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20 Mar 2012   #9

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 / WinXP Pro x86 on (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LenG58 View Post
yes the stb is connnected to the hvr-1250 by coax. so, coax out of the stb to coax into the hvr-1250. sorry for earlier confusion. the hvr-1250 is tuned to channel 3.
Well now we're making progress. This at least makes more sense to me.

Ok... I am telling you that you are NOT getting HD recordings this way. Channel 3 OUT of the STB via coax is simply conventional old-fashioned 480i 4:3 content of whatever the STB is tuned to, and its appearance on your TV (when viewed live or played back from a recording) is a function of (a) how the source channel delivers its content, and (b) how the STB is configured to deliver 16:9 720p/1080i content out over its 480i 4:3 SD outputs (e.g. OUT via coax).

So, since you say 46 is AMCHD then you are obviously watching what originally was 1080i 16:9 HD content, which has been downconverted to 480i for delivery out over what really is (I'm sorry to say) the worst possible video you can imagine, namely 480i output over coax channel 3. And I'm going to guess it's been letterboxed in that process, so that you still see the 16:9 image in your 4:3 screen window from WMC. Maybe you've "zoomed" things with WMC, but believe me it's really downconverted 480i 4:3 SD.


And, consequently, WMC should have ZERO concerns with the notion of copy-protection, as this is all-analog SD 480i 4:3 channel 3 via coax. There is NO copy-protection involved here.

You must have set up your recordings for the AMCHD shows to record from channel 43... not from channel 3.
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20 Mar 2012   #10

Windows 7 Professional
 
 

yes, i completely understand that this is not an hd video setup. the scheduled recording was set to record from channel 43(through wmc) and not channel 3. so this brings up the question. is there anyway to view the .wtv files i have recorded?
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