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Windows 7: Removing bad storage drive destroys libraries - DIFFICULT!

13 Aug 2015   #11
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Moving sata cable location will not remove data.
As long as the drive is seen in Windows 7 and the bios you should be able to access the data on a properly working drive.


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13 Aug 2015   #12
Ohmster

Windows 10 Pro via free update.
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Remove the failing drive. Just get it out of the way.

Drive numbers are created and selected as per what sata port on your motherboard you install the sata cable.

You just rearrange them so (C) is indicated as drive (0) in Disk Management.
Your motherboard manual would be handy to help select the proper sata port.

Sometimes the bios will see sata port (1) which Windows 7 will see as Drive (0).
Oh man I answered this and closed the tab while in preview!

Drive is totally disconnected and no longer in service. Will physically remove it from the case once this thread is marked solved.

I switched SATA cables on the 2 hard drives I had, once, a long time ago, when Drive C was showing as Disk 1 instead of Disk 0. Everything "seemed" okay at reboot, but, I quickly noticed that I had lost System Restore. Any attempt to use it failed. Days of troubleshooting cryptic system logs pointed to a now corrupt com database. I did not have that before and put the cables back to where they came from. Too late, once a com database is corrupted, there is no way to fix it. I had to live with no more system restore or reinstall Windows. I reinstalled Windows and have never changed drive C since. It was a long time ago, but my research at that time showed system restore identifies each disk by an ID number, assigned by the bios. By changing over the SATA cables like that, the ID on drive C no longer matched the restore points and system restore always failed. I never, ever changed my C drive SATA assignment since. Because of it.

Thank you Layback Bear. Everything is working the way I want and expected. Drive is out of service and the 2 Windows Media programs have not lost their libraries. I have a few game shortcuts on my desktop that lost their icons, games were installed to the failed drive. This is easy enough to fix, fix the shortcut locations or remove the games. So for now, I am just waiting to make sure the media programs no longer lose their libraries because I use Media Center every night to watch videos, TV, and Netflix. Well, Netflix will soon be gone, that is sad.

This PC never shuts off so if tomorrow the 2 media programs still have their libraries, I will mark the thread "Solved". I did make 3 significant changes to the PC since last attempt. Thank you very much for your help.

EDIT: I just saw your reply. I had a really bad experience with this, like I mentioned. I would *never* try that again without making a system image to restore in the event it trashed my system restore again. Right now I have too much on my plate, let it settle please.

By the way, I agree with you. Changing Drive C over to another SATA port should not make a difference, but I spent 6 weeks, putting Windows back to the way it was, over the issue of corrupting system restore's com database. Everything else was fine, only system restore was affected. And it makes sense, system restore needs to know exactly what disk it should restore to. It was a very long time ago. Am I mistaken? Could be, but I am no way going to reinstall Windows all over again if history repeats itself. I just cannot take the chance. Thanks!
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13 Aug 2015   #13
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Restore point should be on the (c) partition so you should never loose them.
You can always make a new restore point when every thing is hooked up again.

A thing I see many do, is start moving things off the the (C) partition that shouldn't be moved and then wonder why Windows 7 can't find them.

Or you could start off fresh with restore points using this tutorial by Brink.

System Protection Restore Points - Delete
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13 Aug 2015   #14
Ohmster

Windows 10 Pro via free update.
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Restore point should be on the (c) partition so you should never loose them.
You can always make a new restore point when every thing is hooked up again.

A thing I see many do, is start moving things off the the (C) partition that shouldn't be moved and then wonder why Windows 7 can't find them.

Or you could start off fresh with restore points using this tutorial by Brink.

System Protection Restore Points - Delete
Hello Bear,

...sigh. You are intelligent and truly trying to help. It is worth my time to go over this with you, Bear. When I did change the SATA cables in an attempt to make Drive C become Disk 0, I did NOT lose restore points. They were all still present. What happened is that system restore would never work again. Sure, it went through the motions, system restore is initiating, all that, and when I finally reached the desktop again, "System Restore failed to restore your PC". Huh? Bad restore point? Try a different one. Same thing. NO restore points would work anymore, not even newly made ones. System Restore was broken. I dug through the system logs and followed all those cryptic 0x00... error codes back to the COM database in Administrative Tools. The COM database should have a gold globe icon, now it was a "broken globe icon". The COM database became corrupted. This database is what makes system restore work, without it, every restore will fail. There is no way to repair it. The irony is, I cannot use system restore to repair system restore because it no longer works. This was a LONG time ago so I do not remember the reason why I did not restore the system image. I may not have had a USB drive setup at that time for Windows Backup like I do now.

NOTHING else was corrupted or broken since swapping the SATA cables around. ONLY the com database used by system restore was ruined and I would never have found it without exhaustive research. True, the restore points themselves are held in a hidden folder on the drive, not in a database, but with that COM database corrupted, (It does link back to system restore.), system restore would FAIL every time after running through all of it's paces. I am "no expert" on this stuff, it took like a week of research to find this out.

I actually did try a system restore to get my libraries back, although they are on a drive that no longer exists, and sure enough, system restore failed after I returned to the desktop. I am hoping this is due to the fact that the library source no longer exists and that system restore is not borked again. I will make a new restore point and see if I can restore to it, once things settle down again. I am a little nervous about that.

I moved my libraries off drive C because I bought an SSD for drive C. These drives are expensive and they do not come in terabyte sizes that anyone can afford. I got a 500 Gb SSD and with all the movies, videos, music, and pictures that I have, it would have overfilled Drive C with no room left for all of it. I used the Location tab of the My Music, etc., folders to put them on mechanical storage drives so that drive C would be speedy to boot and load programs. It worked, my PC took a full 5 minutes to boot up, and a full 10 minutes to reboot. After installing the SSD, the thing boots in 20 seconds! Reboots in under a minute. Now THAT is worth moving storage off drive C for! I did not just move things around, "willy-nilly".

Okay, it is 2:30 in the afternoon. I must go shopping for food and run errands. Nice talking to you Bear, you really do try hard to help. Thank you very much.
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13 Aug 2015   #15
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Happy shopping.
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13 Aug 2015   #16
Ohmster

Windows 10 Pro via free update.
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Happy shopping.
Thank you Bear. Shopping was nice, got a decent T-Bone steak that I can afford, mushrooms, and baking potatoes with fresh carrots. Love your sig picture.

Libraries are holding fast. Right click any library in Media Player (See screen shot.) would give you a Management window. In Media Player, I could not do this at all for Videos. Right click, Manage did nothing! Right click Library in Explorer did give the management screen for videos, but I had the word "Unresponsive" next to the new drive O location. Changing the security settings for Drive O to allow Read & Execute for Everyone took the Unresponsive label away. Now they all work. Pretty confident but will wait for tomorrow just to be sure.

Now, time to make steak, baked potato, fresh salad, and maybe steamed carrots for dinner. Thank you for all of your assistance and persistence.


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13 Aug 2015   #17
Ohmster

Windows 10 Pro via free update.
 
 

This is rock solid. Things are now "clicking into place" the way they should be. I do not have to wait until tomorrow to mark this thread as Solved. Bad hard drive removed, all libraries all working properly. Lesson Learned for me: Do not break large hard drives into smaller partitions unless there is a good reason for it.

What fixed it? A LOT of things. Normally, this should not be such a hassle, Windows is pretty good about maintaining it's own libraries and special folders in the user folder. But yanking a drive out that was a source for libraries was a bit too much for Windows to manage. This is what it amounted to:
  1. Removed any of the "drives" (partitions) of the bad drive from Indexing Options.
  2. Set security permissions on the replacement drive to "Everyone: Read & Execute". Previously ONLY System had total access, nothing else. This drive gave me a "Unresponsive" label in Media Center libraries Management panels.
  3. Repaired all of my user, "Special Folders"; i.e.: My Videos, My Music, & My Pictures, thus restoring them back to the user folder. TUTORIAL HERE
  4. Removed ALL non-existing folders in each library.
This might not sound like much, but all of these "fixes" are in different places and all of them have to do with a working library system on Windows. One of the "Biggies" was setting the security on the replacement drive to allow access to everyone. Thanks everyone for all of the very detailed help here, special thanks to Layback Bear.
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