Forgive me for posting a new message about something we discussed the other day. So sorry WMP12 isn't coming for now. I have tried Winamp and J. J. River and Real Player but none of them work right [appeal] for me. Winamp would be good if it played mp4 files, especially the ones I downloaded from youtube, via the keepvid site (good quality and works wikth VLC and many other media players). I can change the colours and tweak the settings. I even make my own skins. Can someone assist me in getting all my video files to work [within the main interface and skin]? I would appreciate it. If I can jump that hurdle then I am free to devote myself to Winamp, etc. Don't care much for J. River Media Jukebox and MC13. They just added a few stuff and are passing it off as new. RealPlayer 10 was good and was a major upgrade to Real Jukebox and Real Audio but really dull and not very creative. Zoom is okay I guess, not very impressive though. VLC is okay for testing files but it doesn't look good and is too simple. I tried Kantaris but didn't like it. Same as GOM Player. I am mainly looking for eye candy with great performance. One more thing about J. River is that it is very expensive. Big turnoff. If anyone knows what I can do to play all video formats in Winamp [latest] let me know ASAP. That is my best choice!