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Windows 7: Character Problem


09 Mar 2011   #1

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 
Character Problem

Hello,

I am doing video editing and I am using more than one computer.
Mostly Ultimate and Home Premium.

When I arrange the video on Ultimate, sometimes I am sending it to Home Premium to encode but then if I am using non-English (usually French) characters (for example é), it is changing to Asian characters in Home Premium.

How can I solve this problem?


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12 Mar 2011   #2

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Didn't like this post just sitting there without a response, so will attempt to help. First off have you got the same video editing program installed on both machines? When you say you use French characters, do you mean you are setting in English with the occasional French charaters or are you setting in French? If you are using individual French characters how to you generate them, for instance, do you use Windows character map for this?
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13 Mar 2011   #3

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Same video editing program installed on both machines.

I am setting in English with occasional French characters. Usually, I have already the French text to copy from, so usually I am just directly copying it. If I need to type it myself, I am using Alt+0233 for example for an é.
So, sometimes I am copying it directly from the French text, sometimes I am typing it myself using Alt+whatever number (All Machines has English Windows, no French language Windows installed).

Maybe, this information will help a bit too. On Ultimate, when I type Alt+0233, I see an é. On Home Premium, when I type Alt+0233, I see a black heart (♥).

Ultimate specifics is under my Specs. Home Premium Computer is a Toshiba Satellite L505D.

Last time, when I had this problem and wrote the post, my Alt+0233 character on Ultimate, the "é" turned into some Asian characters in Home Premium.

Thanks.
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13 Mar 2011   #4

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

OK Then can you check the fonts on the two machines. If you highlight the character on the Ultimate machine and check the font name, then take that file to the Home premium machine and check the font there . See if it exactly the same font. Another way to test this is to use Ariel on both machines and see what result that has. What you are getting is a classic example of Windows finding the nearest available font to the one in an imported file, when the same font is not installed on the second machine. What font are you using BTW?
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14 Mar 2011   #5

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

On the video editing program, I am using Tahoma.
But, when I am editing the text, I am editing it with Word, and when I am using word, sometimes I am having to open the text in a different coding mode, such as Windows Default, Unicode, Other, Japanese. That depends on the original text I received.

BUT;

I still don't understand. for example in Mozilla Firefox Address Area;
When I type Alt+0233;

why I am getting an "e with an accent" ( é ) on Ultimate on ASUS G72;
and why I am getting a "black heart" ( ) on Home Premium on Toshiba Satellite L505D


How can I know the font the Windows uses to type in Mozilla Firefox Web Address Area - just as an example - or any other place on Asus, and on Toshiba?

Thanks.
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14 Mar 2011   #6

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Your Firefox question has the same reply as the earlier post when I said:
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OK Then can you check the fonts on the two machines. If you highlight the character on the Ultimate machine and check the font name, then take that file to the Home premium machine and check the font there . See if it exactly the same font.
You seem to be under the misapprehension that it matters what make of PC you are using. The fonts that you use on any machine in any program including Firefox is determined by what you have in your fonts folder. It is located here:
C:/Windows/Fonts
Go to this folder double click on the Tahoma font and you will see two fonts Tahoma Bold and Regular. Double click the Regular and you should open the entire font with this at the top:

Character Problem-capture91.png

Check the version details and then do exactly the same on your other machine. Are the versions of Tahoma the same on both machines?
Don't fully understand what you mean by:

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sometimes I am having to open the text in a different coding mode, such as Windows Default, Unicode, Other, Japanese. That depends on the original text I received.
Are you getting text sent you in different languages? What file extensions are these text files?
I see that you are setting type in MS Word and then "Putting" that text into your Video Editor.This is mistake as when you type just one word in MS Word if you copy that word and paste it into another program then you take with it all the Word formatting of the style you typed the original in. It will carry al the format details like letter and line spacing,wrapping etc etc. The then causes a conflict with the formatting that you choose in your Video Editor. I presume you are using the titling facility although I could assist you better if you told me the Video Editor you are using! I did ask for this info before!
t is always best to type your text straight into the Video Editor but if you must set it outside then use Windows Notepad, not Wordpad. Notepad will produce pure text with no formatting so it will not conflict. This taking formatting forward is often shown in a website where the setting has been done (wrongly) in a Word Processor and copied and pasted into a web page. When it gets parsed by the browser all the settings look odd and don't fit where they should!


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15 Mar 2011   #7

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mitchell65 View Post
Are the versions of Tahoma the same on both machines?
Yes, they are same.

(The difference is when I select all (ctrl+a) in Home Premiums's Windows\Fonts, I get 240 items selected; in Ultimate, I get 445 item selected.)

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Don't fully understand what you mean by:

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sometimes I am having to open the text in a different coding mode, such as Windows Default, Unicode, Other, Japanese. That depends on the original text I received.
I meant when I was trying to open the files in Word.

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Are you getting text sent you in different languages?
Texts are in English and French. Sometimes German, but I am mostly working in English and French.

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What file extensions are these text files?
TXT

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I see that you are setting type in MS Word and then "Putting" that text into your Video Editor.This is mistake as when you type just one word in MS Word if you copy that word and paste it into another program then you take with it all the Word formatting of the style you typed the original in. It will carry al the format details like letter and line spacing,wrapping etc etc. The then causes a conflict with the formatting that you choose in your Video Editor.
I used to edit it with Notepad, just lately, I needed to do spell checks, that is why I started to use Word. I never used to work with this amount of text before, especially not in 2-3 languages with different characters.

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I presume you are using the titling facility although I could assist you better if you told me the Video Editor you are using! I did ask for this info before!
No, you didn't. Check the posts please.
For creating and editing the video, I use Adobe Creative programs. For editing and encoding, I am using TMPGenc. This problem has only happened with TMPGenc.
Before coming to the last encoding stage, the videos usually have the text in them, but if there are lots of text, I use the TMPGenc to add the text.

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It is always best to type your text straight into the Video Editor but if you must set it outside then use Windows Notepad, not Wordpad. Notepad will produce pure text with no formatting so it will not conflict.
As I said, I was using Notepad, but I had to stop because, the new videos I was editing, required much more text, which required spell checks.

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This taking formatting forward is often shown in a website where the setting has been done (wrongly) in a Word Processor and copied and pasted into a web page. When it gets parsed by the browser all the settings look odd and don't fit where they should!
I know about that cause I used to do that (not the mistake per se, the webpages/blogs)!

So, can copying the 445 fonts in Ultimate to Home Premium solve the problem?
If yes, how can I do that?
If no, how can I make Home Premium to show the same font with the same Alt+(number) as in Ultimate?
And what makes Home Premium to show a black heart with alt+0233?
I find that strange. I am opening Word or Notepad in Home Premium, and typing alt+0233, and it shows an accented e é, but when I type in Mozilla (again in Home Premium), it shows a black heart, the other alt+(number) is not working in Home Premium either. It is just showing some types of symbols.
Look at the characters that Home Premium types with alt+(different numbers) in the picture.

The alt+(number) function is not working correctly in Home Premium for some reason, and I don't know why.

Thanks.


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15 Mar 2011   #8

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

I'm afraid you have lost me on your video editing. Normally a video editor will create a generic project file that contains just the editing parts in a text format. No actual video clips are included, just links to where they are on your system. I have never heard of a program that will create a project file that will open in another third party program so I can't understand how you do some editing in one program then transfer that file to another program to continue editing. The only way to do that, that I know of is to render a new a video file each time you transfer from one prog to the other! Also how do you work in two and sometimes three different languages at the same time?
As far as the Alt + numbers problem. When you say:
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Look at the characters that Home Premium types with alt+(different numbers) in the picture.
If this is in Mozilla address bar then this is a Mozilla probelm but if it is in a Windows program, when you type and hit the Alt +0233 and it shows a symbol, highlight the symbols so created and look in the Font box to see which font it is using.
You could still use Notepad and install a third party spell checker, there are many to choose from, here's just one:
TinySpell : Spell Checker For Windows Notepad
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15 Mar 2011   #9

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Just had another thought! Are both your keyboards set to the same language?
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16 Mar 2011   #10

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mitchell65 View Post
Just had another thought! Are both your keyboards set to the same language?
English (United States)
No other language installed in both computers.
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