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Windows 7: Which program to create AVCHD DVD?

16 Aug 2011   #11
jumanji

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After about four hours, BDTOAVCHD successfully created the AVCHD format of the bluray movie ready to be burnt on a DVD. It turned out to be as easy as ABC.

The backed-up movie title (made by MakeMKV) loaded to BDTOAVCHD. It analyses the BD back-up and automatically selects the main movie. For Target Audio I selected AC3 448Kbps instead of 640. For the media I selected USB so that I can play it on my PS3 with a USB stick.
A few screenshots.

Which program to create AVCHD DVD?-bd2avchd5.jpg

Which program to create AVCHD DVD?-step1.jpg

Which program to create AVCHD DVD?-step2.jpg

Which program to create AVCHD DVD?-step3.jpg

Step 4 must have been remuxing, but I had gone to sleep leaving the system to work. I guess it must have taken something like four hours to complete the task.

Using ImgBurn I first created an ISO, mounted it on Virtual Clone drive and played it on MPC-Home Cinema. After confirming that everything was fine and working, I burnt the ISO on to a DVDRW and my PS3 played it fine. The video quality is quite good and totally satisfactory. All in all the program did a good job.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster View Post
You have 2 options.

1) Buy a Bluray burner, and copy the BluRay 1:1 to a blank BD disc.

2) Burn to DVD or Dual Layer DVD as a AVCHD disc using multiAVCHD.

The problem with option 2 is that you need to compress a 25-45GB BD disc down to at least 8GB for DL DVD, or just over 4GB for a DVD.

To do this, you'll specific setting in the encoder to make it BluRay compatable.
Also, downsizing the video to 720P will be a very good idea, depending on the legnth of the movie, and what type of disc you intend to use.

High Bitrate 720P will look better than low bitrate 1080P.



What I do .. and would recommend, is using MeGUI to recode the movie at 720P.
Then, use multiAVCHD to create a Bluray structure to burn to DVD.

This makes for an excellent looking backup, and at 720P allows for higher bitrates that will fit on a standard DVD.

The downside is that MeGUI can be slow (depending on settings & how much CPU power you have) especially using higher bitrates and settings.
But if done properly, the results will be hard to distinguish from the original.
1. I do have a BD burner. Making a 1:1 bluray copy is absolutely no problem but for the cost of the Blank BD.

2. I had tried multi-AVCHD about a year back. It only crashed and I then uninstalled it.

Even today I tried with the latest version. I did not succeed. It crashed saying AVinfo stopped working. It appears to be a complex and buggy program and not suitable for ordinary users.

If you had successfully created an AVCHD disk, I would like to know a step by step process so that I can try. May be I am doing something wrong.

Whatever, it is not as easy, straightforward and intuitive as BDTOAVCHD where it is a child's play. My personal opinion.




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16 Aug 2011   #12
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

I actually didnt know about that program. Ill have to look into it.
4 hours seems reasonable to me to compress a BD down to DVD size.

The method I was suggestiong would take 4-6 hours per movie as well, depending on length and settings.

But if this app makes good looking copies, it certainly seems as if its a bit easier.

The only advantage to my suggestion is that (or so it seems) you have a bit more control with what you can do.
For example, I like to downsize to 720P and use 5000-6000bit rates. To me this looks better than 1080P under 8K.
But thats just personal opinion. Not everyone would agree.

But, true its not as easy. it certainly is a bit more complicted than what you are describing.



Im going to check this app out though. It looks interesting.
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16 Aug 2011   #13
jumanji

Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit
 
 

I think there is enough ammunition in the program to deal with personally acceptable video quality of the end AVCHD. The following screenshots indicate the video bitrate decided by the program for different Media DVD5, DVD9 and USB 4GB all else remaining the same.( I have left out Custom Size, BD25 and BD50 as not relevant.) So take your pick.

Which program to create AVCHD DVD?-advd5vb.jpg

Which program to create AVCHD DVD?-bdvd9vb.jpg

Which program to create AVCHD DVD?-cusb4gbvb.jpg

Then again one can select any of the following x264 presets in Speed Vs Quality : Superfast, very fast, faster, fast, medium, slow, slower, very slow, Placebo (High Quality)

But one has to keep in mind the system capability and the time it will take to finish for a better quality. ( Just for the heck of it I chose Placebo (High Quality) and when the first pass indicated something like 41 hours, beat a hasty retreat and accepted the default Superfast )


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16 Aug 2011   #14
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

If its settings are anything like Meguis (which should be close being based on x264)

The Palcebo settings makes settings that are really not even worth the trade off. Although the results are better, it becomes nearly impossible to see them VS say, Slow or Slower settings.

I always like a A slow or Slower preset, and then tweak a bit from there.



Not sure if this is an option for you or not but remember you can cut more out if needed.
Additional Audio tracks you have no need for, Subtitles etc.


I agree, for 5.1,448 is a good setting. Good quality, much smaller size.

But if you have no 5.1 playback device, you can also consider downgrading the Audio to Stereo @ 256 or even 384.
I mean, if theres no 5.1 sound system for the playback, amay as well usde those extra bits towards Video


Thanks for the screenies BTW. Good looking app. Simple and straight forward.
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17 Aug 2011   #15
jumanji

Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit
 
 

Hi, Wishmaster. Thank you for all the valuable info and suggestions. ( Incidentally, I had gone through your tutorial on how to create an AVCHD in this very forum before embarking on my search and trial of a simple program suitable for dummies like me )

Here is some more data on which you may deliberate.

Since DVDFab was suggested by MvdB, I downloaded the 30 day evaluation copy and tried it with the same movie..

DVDFab Bluray copy gives one a choice of creating a 1080P (original resolution) as well as a 720P (reduced resolution) AVCHD. I tried both. Media Screenshots of the output AVCHD below.

1. DVDFab BD5 (DVD SL) AVCHD 720P:

Which program to create AVCHD DVD?-bd5-dvdfab720.jpg

2. DVDFab BD5 (DVD SL) AVCHD 1080P

Which program to create AVCHD DVD?-bd5-dvdfab1080.jpg

One may find that there is hardly any difference in video bitrate of the two, both hovering around 4870Kbps. From the Video quality point which is going to look better, the 1080P or 720P? 720P does not increase the video bitrate. I am now confused.

For comparison, the media info for the 1080P AVCHD created by BDtoAVCHD below: ( There is no option here to do a 720P)

3. BDtoAVCHD BD5 (DVD SL) 1080P

Which program to create AVCHD DVD?-bd5-bd2avchd1080.jpg

DVDFab has one single advantage over BDtoAVCHD. It does the job in almost half the time. The disadvantage or cons is it does not give you any option other than 1080P or 720P - but I do not know which is better .

On the other hand, BDtoAVCHD allows one to select the target Audio bitrate and also various presets with no option to downconvert to 720p.


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17 Aug 2011   #16
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Right, same bitrate but at 720P.

If you think about it, going from DVD -> 720PHD is just over double the amout of pixels.
And again going from 720P --> 1080P.

This is why I suggest going down to 720P when compressing to DVD or DVD-DL sizes.
You can fit more bits into the same space, for more detail and a overall better quality image.
With that same bitrate at 1080P, the encoder has to throw away more bits to compress the video. Which can result in even more quality loss.

In my experience, form what looks best to me..
If I can get 4500-6000 bitrate I go with 720P.
If I can get 8000 or more bitrate, 1080P.
99% of the time I just stick with higher bitrate 720P though.

Of course, this depends heavily on the film itself and how many complex scenes there are.
As well as how how close you want your copy to be to the original and how picky you are about it.



IMHO, if you can only get around 4500-6000bit rate to fit, go down to 720P. The quality of the copy should be nearly identical to the original.
I would suggest trying yourself. Do it both ways and see what looks better to you.

But keep in mind, downsizing 1080P -> 720P will take a bit longer.
If it allows you to change it, I would still use 4 Ref. Frames @ 720P as well.
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18 Aug 2011   #17
jumanji

Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit
 
 

Thanks for the inputs, Wishmaster. It was quite some food for thought.

Somehow the idea of downsizing the original 1080P to 720P and then viewing it on a 1080P resolution Full HD flat TV does not appeal to me. It is akin to blowing up Passport size photograph to 6" X 4" postcard size. Perhaps 720P video should be OK for those with screens of 720P.

After mulling over it for quite sometime _oops, I can't burn the same movie many times and view it patiently to decide which looks better. - I have decided to take the easy way out. To use DVD-DL as the media for the AVCHD. The video bitrate of the AVCHD created by BDtoAVCHD will then be around 9868Kbps for the 1080P.

Thanks again for taking your time out on this thread.
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19 Aug 2011   #18
Wishmaster

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At that bitrate, 1080P should look quite good.

Ther are a few movies you can fit on a standard DVD, but I too have found DL-DVD fits the bill much better

Glad you found something that your happy & comfortable with.
Happy ripping
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