Thanks for the info Jerry, never thought to look in the burn facility for ripping details. I did what you said and found the ripping settings drop down box, adjusted the settings to what I wanted and, guess what, still cant find the 'Start Rip' button. In the help menue it looks like it should be to the right of 'Create PLaylist' option at the top of the screen but I must be thick because I cant find it anywhere. I've got settings to @start rip automatically when cd is inserted' so I assumed it wouls start to rip when I inserted the cd but nothing. Help