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Windows 7 - Using Remote Desktop instead of Remote Assistance for remote helpdesk? |
08-28-2010
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Using Remote Desktop instead of Remote Assistance for remote helpdesk? Hi
I know there are other products out there, like vnc, ultravnc, teamviewer etc etc, but really nothing beats the sheer speed of remote desktop, it's like sitting in front of the actual computer. I also know about Remote Assistance built into Windows 7.
I would like to use remote desktop to do the following if possible.
1. I would like to know if there is a way, to not lock the host machine that you are connected to?, so the user can see what you are doing?.
2. Is there a way that Remote desktop can be used without logging off the logged in account?, or just use the logged in account?
I would like to use Remote Desktop for a remote helpdesk solution if possible. If anyone knows how to do this things I am asking it would be the people on this board.
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08-28-2010
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#2 | | Dual-boot: Windows XP SP3 and Windows 7 Ultimate (both 32-bit) |
Might be possible to do it. I think you need some sort of security. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Advent OS Dual-boot: Windows XP SP3 and Windows 7 Ultimate (both 32-bit) CPU AMD Phenom X4 9550 2.8Ghz Motherboard FOXCONN A6VMX (Socket 940) Memory 4.0GB RAM Graphics Card 256MB On-board ATI Radeon X1200 Series Sound Card UnKnown Monitor(s) Displays 19" TFT Mointor Screen Resolution 1400 by 900 Keyboard HP Keyboard Hard Drives 500GB Western Digital WDC Internet Speed Dial-up via Mobile phone (Three) Other Info 250GB External Hard-drive. |
08-28-2010
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I know it's not actual Remote Desktop but I use Team Viewer 10 times a day to do this and it is free!
fmg | My System Specs | | OS W7 Pro 64bit CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-EX38-DQ6 Memory 6gb Graphics Card MSI N9600GT 512M OC GeForce 9600 GT Hard Drives Intel SSD |
08-28-2010
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Quote: Originally Posted by clivebuckwheat I would like to know if there is a way, to not lock the host machine that you are connected to?, so the user can see what you are doing? this is not possible. period. remote desktop was not designed to do this. the reason the PC locks is a license issue. your PC is only allowed to have one active session at a time. there many be more than one user logged in, but only one session can be active at a time. 
Quote: Originally Posted by clivebuckwheat Is there a way that Remote desktop can be used without logging off the logged in account?, or just use the logged in account? yes, the only way that remote desktop can be used without logging off the logged in account is to log in as the currently logged in account. however, it will ALWAYS LOCK THE CONSOLE USER OUT. and if you log in as someone else, the currently logged in account will be logged off. this is by design. there is a hack in windows xp that will allow you to have multiple logged on users without logging off the local user. i mention this only to illustrate the license issue at play. server editions of windows allow you to have 3 (more with additional licenses) people with active sessions on one workstation. this hack basically steals that default behavior from a server edition and replaces it in xp. but still, even with this hack, no two people would ever see the same desktop. RDP is fundamentally different than RA. 
Quote: Originally Posted by clivebuckwheat I would like to use Remote Desktop for a remote helpdesk solution if possible. If anyone knows how to do this things I am asking it would be the people on this board. as far as windows functionality is concerned, only remote assistance will give you this feature. unfortunately, remote assistance requires the user to send you (the helpdesk) an assistance invitation first.
as suggested above, other 3rd party software lets you control a remote computer without all the invitation hassle.
here's a remote assistance hack, but i imagine it was written for XP and possibly doesn't work in 7: http://www.combobulate.com/node/51 | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number N/A - Custom Rig OS Win 7 Pro x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1090T (3200 Mhz) Motherboard ASUS M4N98TD EVO Memory Corsair DOMINATOR 8 GB PC310666 (1333Mhz) CAS: 7-7-7-20 Graphics Card 2x NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+ (in SLI Mode) Sound Card N/A; Onboard VIA VT1708S chipset is good enuff Monitor(s) Displays 23" LG W2361V (2ms Response Time) / 20" ASUS VE205N (5ms) Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1600x900 respectively Keyboard Saitek Eclipse II [broken due to numerous RaGe qUiTs] >:( Mouse some iHome laser (not optical) mouse PSU Ultra X3 1000-Watt ATX/Modular/SLI&SATA Ready PSU (ULT40311) Case SILVERSTONE TEMJIN TJ06S-W (Silver) ATX Full Tower Case Cooling Nothing special; no overclocking. Stock heatsink & case fans Hard Drives 3x crappy ~150gb 7200rpm drives in fakeraid 5 Internet Speed I can only get ~1MBps sustained Other Info A+/N+/Security+ Certified. I break a lot of computer equipment because i get FURIOUSLY ANGRY! The next time some moron gloats about his SSD, ask him if it's SLC or MLC. Not only will he not know, it WILL be MLC because that kid at BestBuy took him to the CLEANERS!! If you don't know the response time on your primary monitor, you got owned. If you do and it's 5ms, you owned yourself. |
08-28-2010
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#6 | | Xp Pro SP3 x64, Win7 x86 (Ult 7600), Win7 x64 Ult 7600, TechNet RTM on AMD x64 (2.8Ghz) |

Quote: Originally Posted by pdxireland I know it's not actual Remote Desktop but I use Team Viewer 10 times a day to do this and it is free!
fmg I also use TeamViewer daily
I like that the remote connection can see what I am doing on their screen, or if it is the other way, I can watch what they are doing on mine so I Learn something new! TeamViewer | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Built them myself, Science Experiments ! OS Xp Pro SP3 x64, Win7 x86 (Ult 7600), Win7 x64 Ult 7600, TechNet RTM on AMD x64 (2.8Ghz) CPU AMD-64 3000mhz, AMD-32 2400mhz, AMD-64 3200mhz, AMDx64 2.8G Motherboard SIS 755, ECS-K8M890M-M (Ult 7600), & others Memory 2gb, 4gb on the Ult 7600, 4gb on Technet RTM Graphics Card Draw my own Graphics, several nVidia cards Sound Card on motherboard Monitor(s) Displays 19" flat scr, 19" Acer widescr, 22" Emprex Widescr, 23" Acer Screen Resolution 1280 x 1024, 1440 x 900, 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Compaq & Dell recycled from GoodWill Mouse Made in China Optical Wired Mouse PSU 430w, 550w, 600w, etc Case All Generic Full Towers Cooling Open Air & a few fans Hard Drives 6 pata Ide HD's & 2 Sata HD's
added 80gb external on Ult 7600 computer,
several extra 1tb & 2TB SATA HD's Internet Speed Fast Cable InterNet Other Info Linksys Routers, switches, & Hubs
Too Many USB Flash Drives to count, Biggest is 64GB !
Eight computers in my home network.
Twelve computers at my business network.
Linked via TeamViewer !
Lots of old used spare computer parts everywhere! |
08-29-2010
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#7 | | Windows 7 Enterprise 64bit |
We have all the features you ask about but we run all our users on Windows Terminal Services. Not your solution but could be helpful for others.
I can dip in and out of all sessions using the Terminal Services Manager and the users can see me move the mouse. I can also peer into their sessions. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Optiplex 960 OS Windows 7 Enterprise 64bit CPU Dual Quad-Core Memory 8GB Graphics Card NVidia Quadro NVS 450 Monitor(s) Displays 3 Monitors - ViewSonic VP2030b 21in- Hard Drives Raid configuration with 300GB Other Info Also owne a Tablet x61 Lenovo Laptop |
08-29-2010
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#8 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 |

Quote: Originally Posted by TooCrooked 
Quote: Originally Posted by clivebuckwheat I would like to know if there is a way, to not lock the host machine that you are connected to?, so the user can see what you are doing? this is not possible. period. remote desktop was not designed to do this. the reason the PC locks is a license issue. your PC is only allowed to have one active session at a time. there many be more than one user logged in, but only one session can be active at a time. Yes, it is possible. I use a concurrent sessions hack to allow me to remote into my HTPC while it's being used. It does not lock the current user at all, nor does it log out the current user. http://www.missingremote.com/index.p...692&Itemid=232 | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS 15 L502x OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Core i7-2670QM Memory 8GB DDR3 PC3-10600 Graphics Card Intel HD Graphics 3000 + GeForce GT 540M Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Hard Drives 1TB 5400RPM Seagate |
08-29-2010
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Quote: Originally Posted by kegobeer 
Quote: Originally Posted by TooCrooked 
Quote: Originally Posted by clivebuckwheat I would like to know if there is a way, to not lock the host machine that you are connected to?, so the user can see what you are doing? this is not possible. period. remote desktop was not designed to do this. the reason the PC locks is a license issue. your PC is only allowed to have one active session at a time. there many be more than one user logged in, but only one session can be active at a time. Yes, it is possible. I use a concurrent sessions hack to allow me to remote into my HTPC while it's being used. It does not lock the current user at all, nor does it log out the current user. Missing Remote my friend, if you had bothered to read my entire post, you would see that i was aware of the terminal services hack (for xp - the Windows 7 one is the exact same premise simply using 2008 technology).
i was answering the question exactly based on what the OP was asking; he was saying can i use RD to login to a client WITHOUT booting them AND with them seeing it?
i said no. RD is not designed to do that. not possible. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number N/A - Custom Rig OS Win 7 Pro x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1090T (3200 Mhz) Motherboard ASUS M4N98TD EVO Memory Corsair DOMINATOR 8 GB PC310666 (1333Mhz) CAS: 7-7-7-20 Graphics Card 2x NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+ (in SLI Mode) Sound Card N/A; Onboard VIA VT1708S chipset is good enuff Monitor(s) Displays 23" LG W2361V (2ms Response Time) / 20" ASUS VE205N (5ms) Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1600x900 respectively Keyboard Saitek Eclipse II [broken due to numerous RaGe qUiTs] >:( Mouse some iHome laser (not optical) mouse PSU Ultra X3 1000-Watt ATX/Modular/SLI&SATA Ready PSU (ULT40311) Case SILVERSTONE TEMJIN TJ06S-W (Silver) ATX Full Tower Case Cooling Nothing special; no overclocking. Stock heatsink & case fans Hard Drives 3x crappy ~150gb 7200rpm drives in fakeraid 5 Internet Speed I can only get ~1MBps sustained Other Info A+/N+/Security+ Certified. I break a lot of computer equipment because i get FURIOUSLY ANGRY! The next time some moron gloats about his SSD, ask him if it's SLC or MLC. Not only will he not know, it WILL be MLC because that kid at BestBuy took him to the CLEANERS!! If you don't know the response time on your primary monitor, you got owned. If you do and it's 5ms, you owned yourself. Using Remote Desktop instead of Remote Assistance for remote helpdesk? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:27 PM. |  |