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Windows 7: windows7 behind second hub not in homegroup

12 Sep 2010   #1
Meram78

windows 7 off course
 
 
windows7 behind second hub not in homegroup

Hi,

I am getting nuts!

I try to ad my w7 desktop, connected with a second hub (utp cable) to my homegroup but it won't reconise me on the laptops with w7 installed. The laptops are using wireless on my modem-router.

wireless >> zyxell modem-router
Desktop >> sitecom wl-160 >> zyxell modem-router by UTP cable

How can help me out ??

Regards by advanced


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12 Sep 2010   #2
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Meram78 View Post
Hi,

I am getting nuts!

I try to ad my w7 desktop, connected with a second hub (utp cable) to my homegroup but it won't reconise me on the laptops with w7 installed. The laptops are using wireless on my modem-router.

wireless >> zyxell modem-router
Desktop >> sitecom wl-160 >> zyxell modem-router by UTP cable

How can help me out ??

Regards by advanced
whats the IP setup, fixed, dns, etc


IP range for sitecom and zytell? Both IPv6 enabled?

Homegroup often has problems with complex connectivity setups. Try creating a new network connection workgroup instead.

Good luck

Ken
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12 Sep 2010   #3
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Meram78 View Post
Hi,

I am getting nuts!

I try to ad my w7 desktop, connected with a second hub (utp cable) to my homegroup but it won't reconise me on the laptops with w7 installed. The laptops are using wireless on my modem-router.

wireless >> zyxell modem-router
Desktop >> sitecom wl-160 >> zyxell modem-router by UTP cable

How can help me out ??

Regards by advanced
The problem here is that you are trying to use two routers for a single network. You need to have everything going into the same router for Homegroups to work correctly.

Modem>router> pc's connected to the same single router both wired and wireless.

Homegroups won't work unless you are using a common default gateway which pretty much means the same router for all machines.

So basically you need a router that can handle both wired and wireless connections.
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08 Feb 2011   #4
Choglidite

Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 
Router Set up

Homegroup will work through multiple routers or an access point. I had the same issue.

I reset the router to default and started again. I set it up exactly like this link and my issues went away. How To Convert a Wireless Router into an Access Point - SmallNetBuilder

There are some subtle differences between the setup links I found posted and this one. Having spent way to much time trying to resolve myself, I know one issue with the other posts. They wanted different SSIDs. When you're setting up an access point with different SSID than the main router it can cause some network hand off issues. Some PCs will not drop one SSID to pick up another unless the signal starts to totally fail. On smart phones, that is the case in spades. We messed with both an I-phone and Droid and neither liked two different SSIDs on the same network. If the SSID, securitys are all identical, the hand off is fast and invisible.
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09 Feb 2011   #5
alphanumeric
Microsoft MVP

Windows 10 Education 64 bit
 
 

Um, the OP said he is using a HUB not a second Router? I'm assuming he or she knows the difference and its not a typo. Still wouldn't a switch be a better choice?
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09 Feb 2011   #6
Choglidite

Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 
Set up

You're right he said Hub, I guess I was keying off what Chev said that you couldn't run a Network or Homegroup through multiple routers. I found a lot of threads that have that misconception. It's interesting that a wireless router costs about the same as a Switch but the router has more capability. Wireless being a big one and unless it's a real new switch more speed.

An interesting foot note on the setup. Originally I got the internet to work fine but no network or homegroups showed up. The laptops and smart phones handed off the internet fine. Updated firmware & drivers and no change. Reset the WAP router and started again and it worked perfect. The only difference I noted was at factory default the DHCP Server was on, it's now off.
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09 Feb 2011   #7
alphanumeric
Microsoft MVP

Windows 10 Education 64 bit
 
 

Using a switch is the equivalent to just adding more network ports to the LAN side of your router. DHCP and NAT is handled by the Router. Using a second router can result in double NAT, which can cause networking problems. It is possible to configure a router to work as a switch, I've done it. Any router with more than one LAN jack has a switch inside it. If you turn off its DHCP function, and daisy chain to one of the LAN jacks instead of the WAN jack it will work as a switch.
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13 Feb 2011   #8
Meram78

windows 7 off course
 
 
thnx

yes i know the difference between a router and a hub ;-) It was a hub, i solved the problem by remving the hub and connecting a extra cat5 cable.

regards

Meram (a he)
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