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Windows 7: Workgroup with static ip, Win7, and legacy Windows system


25 Nov 2010   #1

Win7 Home Prem. 64 OEM
 
 
Workgroup with static ip, Win7, and legacy Windows system

Hi,

I have ATT DSL, 2-Wire (2701HG-B) router, 2 desktop systems, hard-wired ethernet.
I am the only user.

When configured for non-static ip, problems with netbios "browsing" occurred. The router stays powered 24/7, but the pc's don't. I'd get the net working and MS Win would break it in a day or 2.

So I've set it up for static ip. I've been told that this will facilitate such a functional workgroup.

Ipconfig info on the 2 pc's follows my sig.

On the Windows 7 system and using Explorers Network icon, I get something like:

Enter Network Password
(for) System/User
x Logon Failure: unknown user name or bad password
OK Cancel

The "Failure" msg appears before -and- after I enter the Admin password. All the sharing options (i.e. file sharing) are turned on except password protection, which is "off". It is very similar using the W2k machine.

When I enter //192.168.1.2 from the Explorer-Address line
it brings up IE and sez "page cannot be displayed".

Such a simple, simple thing to ask of MS software facilities. I've tested it in more ways than I can shake a stick at. To date, nothing works for long.

Any ideas on how this can be done? I would cheerfully, cheerfully settle for a single shared folder.

Thanks,
P


--- PC1 - W2k sp4+ --------------------------------------------------------
Windows 2000 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : PC1
Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

--- PC2 - Windows 7-64 HP OEM -----------------------------------------------------
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : PC2
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : gateway.2wire.net

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : gateway.2wire.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.3(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:18:29 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Wednesday, November 24, 2010 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter isatap.gateway.2wire.net:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : gateway.2wire.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : ::
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled
-------------------------------------------------------------------


My System SpecsSystem Spec
.

26 Nov 2010   #2

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit Steve Ballmer Signature Edition
 
 

From each machine first open a command prompt and then:
  • ping 127.0.0.1... what happens?
  • ping each machines own IP (so ping 192.168.1.2from server and 192.168.1.3 from the Windows 7 PC)... what happens?
  • ping the router, 192.168.1.1 in your case... what happens?
  • ping the other machine's IP address... what happens?
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Nov 2010   #3

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Puddin Man View Post
Hi,

I have ATT DSL, 2-Wire (2701HG-B) router, 2 desktop systems, hard-wired ethernet.
I am the only user.

When configured for non-static ip, problems with netbios "browsing" occurred. The router stays powered 24/7, but the pc's don't. I'd get the net working and MS Win would break it in a day or 2.

So I've set it up for static ip. I've been told that this will facilitate such a functional workgroup.

Ipconfig info on the 2 pc's follows my sig.

On the Windows 7 system and using Explorers Network icon, I get something like:

Enter Network Password
(for) System/User
x Logon Failure: unknown user name or bad password
OK Cancel

The "Failure" msg appears before -and- after I enter the Admin password. All the sharing options (i.e. file sharing) are turned on except password protection, which is "off". It is very similar using the W2k machine.

When I enter //192.168.1.2 from the Explorer-Address line
it brings up IE and sez "page cannot be displayed".

Such a simple, simple thing to ask of MS software facilities. I've tested it in more ways than I can shake a stick at. To date, nothing works for long.

Any ideas on how this can be done? I would cheerfully, cheerfully settle for a single shared folder.

Thanks,
P


--- PC1 - W2k sp4+ --------------------------------------------------------
Windows 2000 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : PC1
Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

--- PC2 - Windows 7-64 HP OEM -----------------------------------------------------
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : PC2
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : gateway.2wire.net

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : gateway.2wire.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.3(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:18:29 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Wednesday, November 24, 2010 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter isatap.gateway.2wire.net:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : gateway.2wire.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : ::
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled
-------------------------------------------------------------------
You will need to make some adjustments to the security on the Win 7 machine in order to access the Win 2K machine. The link below shows you how.
Windows 7 Network File Sharing Fix – Tanner Williamson
My System SpecsSystem Spec
.


26 Nov 2010   #4

Win7 Home Prem. 64 OEM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Darryl Licht View Post
From each machine first open a command prompt and then:
  • ping 127.0.0.1... what happens?
  • ping each machines own IP (so ping 192.168.1.2from server and 192.168.1.3 from the Windows 7 PC)... what happens?
  • ping the router, 192.168.1.1 in your case... what happens?
  • ping the other machine's IP address... what happens?
In all cases I get orderly replies.

Worth checking, but doesn't address my net config issues.

P
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Nov 2010   #5

Win7 Home Prem. 64 OEM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
You will need to make some adjustments to the security on the Win 7 machine in order to access the Win 2K machine. The link below shows you how.
Windows 7 Network File Sharing Fix – Tanner Williamson
The first instruction therein sez "To start us out, you need to go to your Start Menu, and search for “Local Security Policy“."

When I search for "Local Security Policy", I get "No Items Match ...".

I am Windows 7-64 Home Premium OEM. He was perhaps "Pro"??

P
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Nov 2010   #6

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Puddin Man View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
You will need to make some adjustments to the security on the Win 7 machine in order to access the Win 2K machine. The link below shows you how.
Windows 7 Network File Sharing Fix – Tanner Williamson
The first instruction therein sez "To start us out, you need to go to your Start Menu, and search for “Local Security Policy“."

When I search for "Local Security Policy", I get "No Items Match ...".

I am Windows 7-64 Home Premium OEM. He was perhaps "Pro"??

P
With Home premium you won't have those options. You can still get this working but you need to get into the registry to make some changes.

The following post covers the required registry adjustments and a few other details about how to set this up.

Need to change local security policy on Win7 starter

This link is from windows support and describes the process to enable Win2K to share with Windows 7, in other words rather than allowing you to bypass NTLM authentication you can update your Win2K to work with NTLM.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/239869
My System SpecsSystem Spec
26 Nov 2010   #7

Win7 Home Prem. 64 OEM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post

With Home premium you won't have those options. You can still get this working but you need to get into the registry to make some changes.

The following post covers the required registry adjustments and a few other details about how to set this up.

Need to change local security policy on Win7 starter
Evidently the OP added the following *after* you marked the thread "solved":

Something's still not right even though adding the new key definitely helped some.

I'd chase it if I had evidence it would fix the problem, but ...

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
This link is from windows support and describes the process to enable Win2K to share with Windows 7, in other words rather than allowing you to bypass NTLM authentication you can update your Win2K to work with NTLM.
How to enable NTLM 2 authentication
Correct me if I'm wrong: this article is about making Win98 play NTLMv2. An excerpt:

NTLM 2 has been available for Windows NT 4.0 since Service Pack 4 (SP4) was released, and it is supported natively in Windows 2000. You can add NTLM 2 support to Windows 98 by installing the Active Directory Client Extensions.

So my W2k has NTLM 2. There is something in the art. about parameters in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa\LMCompatibility but I'm not certain it is relevant. It keeps talking about "domain controllers". I am working with Point-to-Point Workgroup.

Are you sure you have time to sort out the details in such a nasty little mess as this? :-)

Thanks,
P
My System SpecsSystem Spec
27 Nov 2010   #8

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit Steve Ballmer Signature Edition
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Puddin Man View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Darryl Licht View Post
From each machine first open a command prompt and then:
  • ping 127.0.0.1... what happens?
  • ping each machines own IP (so ping 192.168.1.2from server and 192.168.1.3 from the Windows 7 PC)... what happens?
  • ping the router, 192.168.1.1 in your case... what happens?
  • ping the other machine's IP address... what happens?
In all cases I get orderly replies.

Worth checking, but doesn't address my net config issues.

P
It does eliminate physical issues and IP stack is fine!

Try a simple Homegroup??? Homegroup - Create
My System SpecsSystem Spec
27 Nov 2010   #9

Win7 Home Prem. 64 OEM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Darryl Licht View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Puddin Man View Post

In all cases I get orderly replies.

Worth checking, but doesn't address my net config issues.

P
It does eliminate physical issues and IP stack is fine!

Try a simple Homegroup??? Homegroup - Create
To my knowledge, homegroup is useless for my W2k peer.

P
My System SpecsSystem Spec
29 Nov 2010   #10

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit Steve Ballmer Signature Edition
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Puddin Man View Post
To my knowledge, homegroup is useless for my W2k peer.
Sorry didnt realize you had a Win2000 peer...
My System SpecsSystem Spec
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