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Windows 7: Difficulties connecting desktop(wired) & laptop(wifi) via Homegroup

04 May 2011   #1

Windows 7 Pro 64
 
 
Difficulties connecting desktop(wired) & laptop(wifi) via Homegroup

I thought mine was a simple goal - to be able to easily swap files from my desktop to my laptop. Windows help & support link sang of Homegroups that provided the access I desired easily and effortlessly. The reality has been quite the contrary. What I thought would take minutes is stretching into days and I'm going quite mad....oh yes, quite mad indeed. ::insert creepy, maniacal laughter here::
I've googled gaggles, read many a tale of frustration and woe, but have yet to see a solution. So, I've come here. I know providing details and specs is crucial, so I'll do my best to try to include all the settings and buzz words I've heard throughout my searches.

  • OS: Desktop - Windows 7 Professional 64bit; Laptop - Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
  • Connection type (as stated in topic): Desktop - wired; Laptop - wifi
  • Router: Belkin N1 F5D8231-4 v.3000
  • Network adaptor: Desktop - Realtek RTL8168D/8111D; Laptop - Intel Centrino Advanced N 6205
I believe I have them both connected to same workgroup. I changed the name from the generic "WORKGROUP" on both machines (to the same name) because I thought it might mitigate potential interference from rommie's machines, but I've seen no indication that they are actually connected in any way. Neither machine shows up under network in the other's explorer.

Both machines designate a single active network as a home network. Also, under Local Area Connection properties, both machines have the following details listed:
IPv4 Internet
IPv6 No Internet Access

(Yes, both are checked as enabled)
I've read that Homegroup uses IPv6, so presumable the problem lies therein, but my searching has turned up only a few meager suggestions which I have performed and currently have implemented on both machines:
  • Windows Firewall disabled
  • Anti-virus disabled
  • Peer Networking Grouping service confirmed started and set to automatic
  • PNRP Machine Name Publication Service confirmed started and set to automatic
  • VMWare was installed on both machines, but I uninstalled on both.
  • Also, I remember something about a checking a registry entry named "Disabled Devices" or something to make sure it was set to zero , but I didn't even have that entry. The answer to that scenario was simply stated as "create one", but since I don't really know that much about registry stuff, I opted not to attempt that one
Let's see, what else?? Ah, the ping tests. Both machines give the same results:
Reply from 192.168.2.**: Destination host unreachable.
Reply from 192.168.2.**: Destination host unreachable.
Reply from 192.168.2.**: Destination host unreachable.
Reply from 192.168.2.**: Destination host unreachable.
Ping statistics for 192.168.2.**:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 <0% lost>
I've run the Windows Homegroup diagnostic up, down, and sideways, and I've synched the clock times.

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Oddly enough, I've just discovered that my laptop offers a chance to join a Homegroup for my roomie's laptop, but my desktop is extended no such invite. Also, his laptop is now showing up in my laptop's explorer, but not my desktop. Is this an issue of wired versus wireless connections? Do I need to buy a mile or so of cat5 cable for when I tote my laptop off to school with me?

If anybody has any idea what's going wrong here, any other suggestions, or for that matter, can suggest any other means to achieve this sharing capability, my sanity will thank you deeply.
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As per the sticky, I'll try to post pics of ipconfig..
for the life of me, I've never figured out how to post photos in forums, so I'll just provide links to each:
Desktop Laptop


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05 May 2011   #2

windows 7 enterprise 32bit
 
 

I am assuming that you can access the interwebs on both machines.

the ping tests you've done, I assume you've starred the last octet out for some reason rather than post them. NB a 192.168.x.x address is private address class, which is just accessible within your LAN and is therefore secure.
the results from the ping looks like it's being blocked by something, Either windows or a third party firewall or your shared wifi router...

how are you getting your IP addresses ? from the IPconfig it's not conclusive, if you add the switch /all to the end of the ipconfig command you will get a bit more information. anyhow, if you've manually entered the IP addresses then maybe the ip address for your desktop machine is already in use on the network....
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05 May 2011   #3

Windows 7 Pro 64
 
 

Nothing, huh? Eighty people looked and said, "Pass!" Not even a "I feel your pain, networking is hard." Did it ever occur to you people that what I really needed... was a little solace?? Well, even if go it alone, I must (did I just channel Yoda?), I figure it might be worth it to chronicle my plight for any other poor schmucks who find themselves in my situation. If anything sounds familiar to anyone else, feel free to weigh in.

It's just as well the SevenCrew is at a loss. I'm becoming more and more convinced this is a network/router issue, anyway. Like I said earlier, my laptop 'sees' my roomie's laptop under network in explorer, but my desktop can't. Also, thinking on the whole wireless vs wired bit, I realized that I have another machine right here I pieced together from spare parts. I once thought I'd use it as a server for me to access files over the internet (I dream of running before I can crawl). The point: I've got it hardlined to the router, and I wandered if my desktop would be able to see another wired machine. Bada-boom, bada-ping, it seems to be able to. However, my laptop spews the same old "Destination host unreachable" line when pinging the Ubuntu machine. So, I guess I'll work this wired vs wireless lead a bit more.

I spent some time with what I'm pretty sure was an automaton on the Belkin tech support chat room. It didn't really get me anywhere, but I was told I'd get a call from tech support today and they'd try and help me out. We'll see.
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05 May 2011   #4

Windows 7 Pro 64
 
 

Lol. Guess Anta was posting while I was still mucking about with my second post. Glad you dropped in. To answer your questions:

I used the stars because I didn't want to type the ping results twice. The results were identical whether pinging desktop -> laptop or laptop -> desktop. I simply meant to represent both at the same time - a bit of concise laziness, if you will.

I have both machines setup with static ip addresses. Well, actually, I gave my laptop one last night - testing it both ways. I've always heard it's good practice. I put them in the 70s to keep multiple machines from using the same one - until 70 of my friends show up with laptops, that is. =D

I'm glad you mentioned the firewalls again, though. I turned Windows firewall back on after giving up for the night, so it's been up during my tinkering today. Might have to go back over some things.
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05 May 2011   #5

windows 7 enterprise 32bit
 
 

For servers, tis a very good practice to use static. helps with DNS registration and keeps network traffic down..
however for mobile or client devices, I find statics a pain in the 'arris to be fair.
everytime you access a new network you need to change your config manually, let the computer do it !! lol

you didn't answer do both machine access the web ok ? and the problem is only with joining homegroups....
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05 May 2011   #6

windows 7 enterprise 32bit
 
 

if you've set static for both machines, you may want to have a shufty through both configs again.
a slip on subnet octet and no flicky flicky.
one digit out on the network address and no flicky flicky
using a network address already in use on the network and no flicky flicky...
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05 May 2011   #7

Windows 7 Pro 64
 
 

You know, I hadn't considered the mobility of my laptop when giving it a static ip. That's a damn good point that would surely cause troubles for me on campus (WAY more than 70 friends there.)

Oh, and all machines are able to surf solo as well as they please.

Here's links to my ipconfig/all results for desktop and laptop - now with random IP traveling power!
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Actually, you might find these easier to read:
Desktop1/2 Desktop2/2 Laptop1/3 Laptop2/3 Laptop3/3
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01 Jan 2013   #8

w7 Home Prem 64-bt
 
 
HomeGroup wifi v direct cable issue ... SOLVED

Likewise spent 2 days struggling. Both computers LT and DT wired with internet connections and HomeGroup working fine through a Thomson TG585 v8 router. But using wifi connection only, the LT computer would not show for Homegroup use . Much advice tried including MS Troubleshooters, deleting/reinstalling Network and HomeGroup data etc.etc
Finally closed everything down and unplugged all cables from modem.

On restart everything was working perfectly.
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