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Windows 7: Win7 can't access Vista Biz on Workgroup

02 Aug 2011   #1

Win7 Ult. 32bit
 
 
Win7 can't access Vista Biz on Workgroup

Hi,

I've got a Vista Business x32 box and a Windows 7 Home Premium x64 box on my local Workgroup. Each box sees the other box on the network. Vista can access all the Win 7 shares. Windows 7 cannot access Vista.

On each box, network discovery is turned on, as is file/printer sharing. I have passwords turned off. I have rebooted both boxes after making changes. When I try to access Vista in Windows 7, I get a user/password query nonetheless, and I am denied access because of incorrect user or password.

The account name and password on each box is the same, and they are very simple, with no practical chance for input error. The workgroup is via router. Windows 7 is wireless, Vista in over ethernet.

One other thing puzzles me. When Windows 7 first accessed Vista, I saw the entire Vista User folder structure wide open. I can't imagine how it was deemed sharable. I went into Vista, and though Sharing wasn't enabled on the Properties sheet, when I clicked Advanced it was. I unshared there, and the problem was solved. But why were these folders accessible in the first place, and why didn't their shared status show on the Properties sheet without delving deeper?

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02 Aug 2011   #2

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-Bit
 
 

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02 Aug 2011   #3

Win7 Ult. 32bit
 
 

Thanks. Running through that, I find the following snags:

On Vista Biz, I can't make the network Work or Home. The choices are Public or Private. I don't think that's significant. I've selected Private, which affords the most open discovery and sharing.

I don't see any blockages in the Windows firewalls. Yet still I can't connect to the Vista machine. Puzzling.
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02 Aug 2011   #4

Win7 Ult. 32bit
 
 

It looks like the problem is on the Windows 7 end. I just fired up an XP box, and it had no problem seeing the Vista public folders. Something is clogged on this end.


Edit: I just dropped the Windows 7 firewall, to no avail. For some reason Windows 7 is requiring a log in for me to connect out to Vista, when Vista itself doesn't require it.
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02 Aug 2011   #5
2xg
Microsoft MVP

Win7 & Win8 64bit
 
 

Hello,

Can you pls. provide some ipconfig /all output on both computers for review?
Click on Start => in run or search box type cmd, choose run as Admin and press enter. Open up a command prompt then Copy and Paste these ipconfig /all >c:\ipconfig.txt . Please attach the .txt file to be found in your Local Disk 'C' on your next post.
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02 Aug 2011   #6

Win7 Ult. 32bit
 
 

I'm attaching the two ipconfigs. But I believe I've identified the problem. Home Premium does not allow changing the method of authentication. Check out this thread: Windows 7 can't access Share in a workgroup for unbelievable evidence of inexcusable incompetence by MS. Now I'm clear on why I spent a solid week half a year ago trying to get this machine to network with a linux box, without a hint of success. I like Windows 7 in many ways, but I can't see how professionals can tolerate this level of brokenness.


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File Type: txt V-ipconfig.txt (6.5 KB, 18 views)
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02 Aug 2011   #7
2xg
Microsoft MVP

Win7 & Win8 64bit
 
 

Windows 7 has WINS Server, Vista doesn't. Lets remove WINS server.
Quote:
Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
1. Open Network Connections (Start > Run >ncpa.cpl ).
2. Right-click the Wireless connection , and click Properties .
3. Double-click Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4) .
4. Click Properties > Advanced > WINS .
5. Remove any WINS server addresses.

Test your connection after and pls post an update.
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03 Aug 2011   #8

Win7 Ult. 32bit
 
 

After a reboot, that made no difference. Now, though, under Network/Media Devices, it lists Vista/Paul, and when I click it, a song that I have on the Windows 7 box comes up -which makes no sense at all.
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03 Aug 2011   #9
2xg
Microsoft MVP

Win7 & Win8 64bit
 
 

Let's do some tests, please do this on both computers:

Create a new folder, you may share the entire C drive for now and call it 'C'.

Now, try to access the C shared drive, click on Start and type \\ComputerName\C. Also, try \\IPAddress\C
Are you able to access the new shared drive?

Disable any Firewall or Security Software for now.
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03 Aug 2011   #10

Win7 Ult. 32bit
 
 

OK, I dropped firewalls and realtime shields. I created a folder, "A", under each C drive. I made them shares, and I went in and gave create/modify rights to Everyone.

I went to the Start menu on Lenovo (the problematic Windows 7 laptop), and on entering \\Vista the Vista shares appeared above. I clicked on A and I was in.

I created new text docs in each folder, and saw the changes on the other boxes. I modified the file on Windows 7 using Vista, and was able to save. I modified the file on Vista using Windows 7, and I was not able to save.

Also, Windows 7 sees \\Vista\Users\Default and \Guest. Neither of those users are shares.

So, the questions are:
  • what opened Vista up to Windows 7
  • why aren't Modify rights bilateral
  • why are unshared folders showing up as shares

This seems like very haphazard behavior. My next move is restore the firewalls and scanners, one at a time. Thanks for the guidance so far.

p.
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