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Windows 7: Network XP and Win7

23 Nov 2012   #1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
Network XP and Win7

Well I have tried everything I have read on line to get the old XP system to "see" the Windows 7 machine.

There must be a logical step by step, start here guide or system to get this to work. It seems like most people give up and install Windows 7 on the old pc. I paid good money for that XP (twice!) and I'm not paying more to change it to Windows 7.

The sort of guide I'm looking for would start at the beginning. What's the first thing to check. Then check this and so on......

I have just one folder shared on the Windows 7 machine. XP doesn't even see the Windows 7 pc. Windows 7 see's the XP no problem since I added the patch on the XP machine

Here is my set up.

Thanks for any help.

Menessis



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24 Nov 2012   #2

Windows 7 & 8 64-bit, Mac OSX 10.8.2
 
 

Have you gone into the "Network and Sharing Center", clicked the link at the left for "Change advanced sharing settings" and set:
  • Turn on network discovery
  • Turn on File and Printer sharing
  • Turn on sharing so anyone with network access can read and write files in the Public folders
  • Enabled file sharing for devices that use 40- or 56-bit encryption
Ideally, both (all) computers should be in the same Workgroup and you should be logged in to all computers with the same Username/Password.

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It seems like most people give up and install Windows 7 on the old pc.
I never had any problem networking XP and 7, so there's certainly no need to upgrade the XP PC.

If you haven't already done so, you should install the Link Layer Topology Discovery Responder in the XP PC:

Download: Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) Responder (KB922120) - Microsoft Download Center - Download Details
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24 Nov 2012   #3

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 

The XP computer has to be set to "Homegroup". It's default is something else. I had this issue with someone trying to network a XP computer with a Vista computer.
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24 Nov 2012   #4

Windows 7 & 8 64-bit, Mac OSX 10.8.2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HAVOC View Post
The XP computer has to be set to "Homegroup". It's default is something else. I had this issue with someone trying to network a XP computer with a Vista computer.
The default Workgroup name is MSHOME for XP Home Edition and WORKGROUP for XP Pro; the default for Windows 7 is WORKGROUP. "Homegroup" networking is only supported in Windows 7 and 8 networks.

I have always used my own personal Workgroup name which has never caused a problem networking computers running XP, Windows 7, Windows 8 and Mac OSX. Windows XP does actually support connection to multiple Workgroups, although I'm not sure if later versions of Windows do.
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24 Nov 2012   #5

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Yes I did install the Link Layer Topology Discovery Responder on the XP machine MGMCC. That was the first thing I found I needed to do. I have the advanced sharing set like you suggest also.

On the XP machine there is a password that I log in with. No password on the Windows 7. The Windows 7 shows "network 4" when I hover the mouse over the icon in the task bar. The workgroup is "MYNETWORKTEST". On the XP machine the taskbar says "MyNetWorkTest" . This isn't case sensitive is it?

Keep in mind that the XP machine doesn't know the Windows 7 exists at this point. LOL

@HAVOC I don't know where to look for the "homegroup" setting in XP? But I am sure that when I set it up it asked for a Work Group name.

I think the problem is on the XP side of things.

Thanks for the help so far guys.

Menessis
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24 Nov 2012   #6

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 

Sorry, I meant to say Workgroup not Homegroup. It was some time ago that I did this so I'm not sure how to do it in XP anymore. I haven't touched that OS in a long time.
Here is link to Microsoft explaining how to do it: Download Windows 7 & HomeGroup: Downlevel Sharing from Official Microsoft Download Center
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24 Nov 2012   #7

Windows 7 & 8 64-bit, Mac OSX 10.8.2
 
 

What happens if you open Windows Explorer in XP and, in the address bar, type in the path to the Windows 7 PC either by its IP address or its name. Use the format:

\\192.168.1.2 (replace with its correct IP address)

\\computer_name

\\computer_name\shared_folder
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24 Nov 2012   #8

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

OK I tried the IP trick. \\192.168.0.2 Is my static IP on the Windows 7 machine. Nothing. I even used the search option.... search ......computers or people. Nothing.

How do you ping from one pc to the other?

Is there a way to tell a pc to be invisible? I have tried it with Windows 7 firewall off. If the firewall is off then the ports are open?? I was reading about the firewall settings and it said that if you use Home Group it set up the ports one way and if you used business group it set the ports a little different. Is there a way to look at what ports are open?

Could my router be "firewalling" it somehow? It's a Netgear MBR 1210.

Thanks

Menessis
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24 Nov 2012   #9

Windows 7 & 8 64-bit, Mac OSX 10.8.2
 
 

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How do you ping from one pc to the other?
In XP, open a Command Prompt window ("Start > Run", type cmd and click OK) and, at the prompt, type...

ping 192.168.0.2

...and press Enter. You should get a result something like this:


C:\Users\mgmcc>ping 192.168.5.22

Pinging 192.168.5.22 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.5.22: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.5.22: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.5.22: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.5.22: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.5.22:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

C:\Users\mgmcc>

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24 Nov 2012   #10

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

LOL ya well mine just times out.

I have found out that I have other problems that may or may not have anything to do with this.

My firewall has stopped. The service is missing.

I'm on at GeekPolice to see what they can figure out.

If it's not one thing its something else.

BTW Mike....I'm Mike too.

I will let you all know what happens.

menessis
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