| Windows 7: Experts please explain the bandwidth overhead to me! |
22 Jan 2013
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#1 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate A Finnish immigrant in Leipzig, Germany |
Experts please explain the bandwidth overhead to me! Hi geeks.
Not an issue, just something I would like to understand. Have been testing backups to cloud which of course will benefit from higher UL speeds.
Test scenario:
Test PC uses a dedicated line that has a theoretical maximum of 6.2 MBps UL speed, or 50 Mbps. Only test PC is connected to this line, all other network usage denied or disabled. The line is only used for this test.
To measure UL speed, I start uploading to a cloud server. Test backup size 30 GB. A counter starts measuring the speed when it hits 5.8 MBps, marking then actual speed every 20 seconds.
This shows averages after about 20 tests:
Horizontal values show elapsed time in minutes. Variations in all tests max 10% to any direction, the fact seems to be that after about 3 minutes the UL speed sets in around 2 MBps and stays there. Results are similar with XP Pro, Windows 7 and Windows 8 Enterprise editions so it does not look as an OS related thing.
I am very interested to hear opinions in this, why over 60% overhead on a dedicated line?
Kari
Last edited by Kari; 22 Jan 2013 at 07:02 PM..
Reason: As always in my posts, numerous typos!
| My System Specs |
| Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number HP ENVY 17-1150eg OS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate CPU 1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor Memory 6 GB Graphics Card ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics Sound Card Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer Monitor(s) Displays 17" laptop display, 22" LCD and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI Screen Resolution 1600*900, 1680*1050 and 1920*1080 Keyboard Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Laser (bluetooth) Mouse Logitech MX1000 Laser (Bluetooth) Hard Drives Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
External: 2TB for backups, 3TB USB3 network drive for media Internet Speed 50/10 Mbps VDSL Antivirus MSE, Windows Defender Browser Maxthon 3.5.2. Other Info Windows 7 Ultimate Retail Full in English, additional Guest-user accounts in Finnish, German and Swedish (Working languages English & Swedish, Family language German, my own language, mother tongue, Finnish. I really need Ultimate to get to use Language Packs!) |
22 Jan 2013
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#2 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Topeka Kansas |
What kind of connection is it. Cable, DSL, etc...
Other thing you have to remember is if you have a 50Mbps upload speed but the place your uploading to only has a connection of 24Mbps DL then you will can only upload to them as fast as they can download.
Also unless your the only person uploading to the site then you will have to deal with traffic from other members. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 |
22 Jan 2013
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#3 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate A Finnish immigrant in Leipzig, Germany |
Fiberoptics 100/50 Mbps line, during the test dedicated to this one PC alone. Cisco router that can for sure handle the speeds, third party speed tests giving constantly over 90% of promised speeds. Downloads keep constant 12 MBps +- 0.5 Mbps.
Receiving end also Cisco routers, even faster line and a dedicated server only working for this test.
This is clear: cause of overhead is not linespeed or inability to handle it.
Kari | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number HP ENVY 17-1150eg OS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate CPU 1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor Memory 6 GB Graphics Card ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics Sound Card Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer Monitor(s) Displays 17" laptop display, 22" LCD and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI Screen Resolution 1600*900, 1680*1050 and 1920*1080 Keyboard Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Laser (bluetooth) Mouse Logitech MX1000 Laser (Bluetooth) Hard Drives Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
External: 2TB for backups, 3TB USB3 network drive for media Internet Speed 50/10 Mbps VDSL Antivirus MSE, Windows Defender Browser Maxthon 3.5.2. Other Info Windows 7 Ultimate Retail Full in English, additional Guest-user accounts in Finnish, German and Swedish (Working languages English & Swedish, Family language German, my own language, mother tongue, Finnish. I really need Ultimate to get to use Language Packs!) |
22 Jan 2013
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#4 | | Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM) Wales - probably in the pub |
I've found that one thing that severely impacts transfer speed is the file size - the bigger the file, the faster the transfer. I guess it has to do with the number of data exchanges required at the start/end of a file.
It's one reason that I like SkyDrive more and more - if you download multiple files from a folder, it autozips them prior to transfer, so you not only get less to move, it moves it faster  (Dunno what happens with upload though). | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus K52F OS Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM) CPU i3 370M Motherboard Asus Memory 8GB - finally :) Graphics Card it's an i3, dude! Sound Card onboard Monitor(s) Displays 15.6" built-in Screen Resolution 1366x768 PSU n/a Hard Drives 750GB Seagate internal
Sundry external drives attached to other computers on the local network Internet Speed as much as I can get - usually on a dongle, so <1Mb/s Antivirus MSE Browser IE10/Chrome/FF(if I must) |
22 Jan 2013
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#5 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate A Finnish immigrant in Leipzig, Germany |
Good point Noel, the file size I mean. It's just that this system I am testing is supposed to move system images over the network so the files are huge. | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number HP ENVY 17-1150eg OS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate CPU 1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor Memory 6 GB Graphics Card ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics Sound Card Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer Monitor(s) Displays 17" laptop display, 22" LCD and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI Screen Resolution 1600*900, 1680*1050 and 1920*1080 Keyboard Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Laser (bluetooth) Mouse Logitech MX1000 Laser (Bluetooth) Hard Drives Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
External: 2TB for backups, 3TB USB3 network drive for media Internet Speed 50/10 Mbps VDSL Antivirus MSE, Windows Defender Browser Maxthon 3.5.2. Other Info Windows 7 Ultimate Retail Full in English, additional Guest-user accounts in Finnish, German and Swedish (Working languages English & Swedish, Family language German, my own language, mother tongue, Finnish. I really need Ultimate to get to use Language Packs!) |
22 Jan 2013
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#6 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Topeka Kansas |

Quote: Originally Posted by Kari Good point Noel, the file size I mean. It's just that this system I am testing is supposed to move system images over the network so the files are huge. Internal network or external network?
Have you tried uploading them at different times of the day.
I can see why larger files would slow it down. You do have to remember that its only a Dedicated line so far. It has to go through router to router to get the destination. There could be congestion on the line, or packets might need to be redirect. This shouldn't effect the traffic that much but i guess you never know. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 |
23 Jan 2013
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#7 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate A Finnish immigrant in Leipzig, Germany |
Interesting results from tests run at night between 3 AM and 4:45 AM, big difference compared to daytime results. Only difference is the time of the day:
Average overhead 32%, compared to earlier tests 60%. | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number HP ENVY 17-1150eg OS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate CPU 1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor Memory 6 GB Graphics Card ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics Sound Card Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer Monitor(s) Displays 17" laptop display, 22" LCD and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI Screen Resolution 1600*900, 1680*1050 and 1920*1080 Keyboard Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Laser (bluetooth) Mouse Logitech MX1000 Laser (Bluetooth) Hard Drives Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
External: 2TB for backups, 3TB USB3 network drive for media Internet Speed 50/10 Mbps VDSL Antivirus MSE, Windows Defender Browser Maxthon 3.5.2. Other Info Windows 7 Ultimate Retail Full in English, additional Guest-user accounts in Finnish, German and Swedish (Working languages English & Swedish, Family language German, my own language, mother tongue, Finnish. I really need Ultimate to get to use Language Packs!) |
23 Jan 2013
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#8 | | Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM) Wales - probably in the pub |
Thinking about the shape of your first graph, it reminds me a lot of the sort of bottleneck you may get from a buffer that's slow to flush.
- initial high speed as the buffer fills, then quick drop-off to a steady state as the buffer empties and is refilled.
You may want to check what all the links in the line use as buffers and see if there's some multi-tasking reserving anything. | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus K52F OS Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM) CPU i3 370M Motherboard Asus Memory 8GB - finally :) Graphics Card it's an i3, dude! Sound Card onboard Monitor(s) Displays 15.6" built-in Screen Resolution 1366x768 PSU n/a Hard Drives 750GB Seagate internal
Sundry external drives attached to other computers on the local network Internet Speed as much as I can get - usually on a dongle, so <1Mb/s Antivirus MSE Browser IE10/Chrome/FF(if I must) |
23 Jan 2013
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#9 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate A Finnish immigrant in Leipzig, Germany |
Very good idea! Thanks, Noel. | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number HP ENVY 17-1150eg OS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate CPU 1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor Memory 6 GB Graphics Card ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics Sound Card Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer Monitor(s) Displays 17" laptop display, 22" LCD and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI Screen Resolution 1600*900, 1680*1050 and 1920*1080 Keyboard Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Laser (bluetooth) Mouse Logitech MX1000 Laser (Bluetooth) Hard Drives Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
External: 2TB for backups, 3TB USB3 network drive for media Internet Speed 50/10 Mbps VDSL Antivirus MSE, Windows Defender Browser Maxthon 3.5.2. Other Info Windows 7 Ultimate Retail Full in English, additional Guest-user accounts in Finnish, German and Swedish (Working languages English & Swedish, Family language German, my own language, mother tongue, Finnish. I really need Ultimate to get to use Language Packs!) |
23 Jan 2013
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#10 | | Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8 Pro, San Diego |
It looks to me as if the ISP is throttling connection speed during peak hours with less throttling taking place when there are less customers online.
It's probably being throttled based on demand due to limited bandwidth during peak usage hours. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home built OS Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8 Pro, CPU Q9650-4.275GHz, E8600 4.5GHz, E6750-3.8GHz Motherboard Evga 780i FTW Memory G.Skill PC2 9600 1200Mhz 5 5 5 15 2T Graphics Card GTX480 Sound Card Asus Xonar D2 Monitor(s) Displays HannsG Screen Resolution 1680X1050 Keyboard Logitech G15 Mouse Logitech G9 PSU ThermalTake Toughpower 1000Watt modular Case ThermalTake XaserV Cooling Xigmatek S1283 Hard Drives GSkill Phoenix Pro 120GB SSD Internet Speed T1 Experts please explain the bandwidth overhead to me! problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:41 AM. | |