Windows 7 Forums

Welcome to Windows 7 Forums. Our forum is dedicated to helping you find support and solutions for any problems regarding your Windows 7 PC be it Dell, HP, Acer, Asus or a custom build. We also provide an extensive Windows 7 tutorial section that covers a wide range of tips and tricks.


Windows 7: Homegroup Problem: Network Discovery Issue

10 Dec 2009   #11
deepbevel

Windows 7
 
 

This is unbeleivable, so now we have to go in and fool with services just to set up a home network? thanks Microsoft.


My System SpecsSystem Spec
.
10 Dec 2009   #12
deepbevel

Windows 7
 
 

we've had nothing but problems ever since we upgraded all our systems to windows 7. At least with Vista we were finally able to get it working. It just refuses to keep the network sdiscovery setting, and offers no hint as to why when runnubg diagnostics. None of the solutions on this forum have helped.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
10 Dec 2009   #13
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by deepbevel View Post
This is unbeleivable, so now we have to go in and fool with services just to set up a home network? thanks Microsoft.
All of those services are turned on by default. If you upgraded from Vista and Vista had those services shut off for some reason, those setting may be transfered to Windows 7 and would need to be re-enabled.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
.

12 Dec 2009   #14
RichardJU

Win 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
All of those services are turned on by default.
Not necessarily. I did a totally clean install of Win 7-64 on a fairly new machine and UPnP Device Host services was not on.

The reason I'm looking at this thread is that my Win 7-64 is in a wired network with other Win 7 machines, but it only sees them intermittently. Every time I refresh the network page, it's a crapshoot what other computers will show up.

If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
12 Dec 2009   #15
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Intermittently appearing Windows 7 machines would be confusing and frustrating I agree. If UPnP was disabled perhaps some of the other required networking services were also disabled for some reason.

Click Start and type Services.msc in the dialog box to open the services snap-in.
Then check if the following services are started:
--SSDP Discovery
--TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper
--Computer Browser
If not, set the startup type to automatic and click start to start the services.

It also seems that the naming convention is very critical to be accurate. If even one part of a name isn't correct you will get interrmittent appearance of networked computers. It may also help to use the same user name on all machines with out using any strange charactors or symbols, single names works best.

The machine names need to be different on every machine, but it can help to use the same user name and password. And they definately need to be part of the same Workgroup.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
12 Dec 2009   #16
TaraSWinTeam

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by deepbevel View Post
This is unbeleivable, so now we have to go in and fool with services just to set up a home network? thanks Microsoft.
Here is the information for setting up a home network: Setting up a home network. If you are fooling with services let me know where this occurs.

Tara
My System SpecsSystem Spec
12 Dec 2009   #17
RichardJU

Win 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
Intermittently appearing Windows 7 machines would be confusing and frustrating I agree. If UPnP was disabled perhaps some of the other required networking services were also disabled for some reason.

Click Start and type Services.msc in the dialog box to open the services snap-in.
Then check if the following services are started:
--SSDP Discovery
--TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper
--Computer Browser
If not, set the startup type to automatic and click start to start the services.
Thanks for your help. Those are all started with no change to the result.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
It also seems that the naming convention is very critical to be accurate. If even one part of a name isn't correct you will get interrmittent appearance of networked computers. It may also help to use the same user name on all machines with out using any strange charactors or symbols, single names works best.

The machine names need to be different on every machine, but it can help to use the same user name and password. And they definately need to be part of the same Workgroup.
I'm not sure what you mean by "If even one part of a name isn't correct"

All of my computers have only one user each. Their user names are "Firstname Lastname" Each computer name is concatenated to "FirstnameLastname" They are all part of the same Workgroup. I have tried setting to Home and to Work. I am not using Homegroups which also don't work.

I have two computers at my desk: "Good" and "Bad." Bad is the one with a problem. It is a fresh install. I have turned off firewall and defender and have not even installed an Antivirus. I have turned off password protected sharing on all computers.

Good and Bad are plugged into the same gigabit router and are both operating at gigabit speed. I have updated the BIOS on Bad and updated the firmware on the router. That Router has a DHCP reservation for both Good and Bad. I have tried both Lan ports on Bad and disabled the other in BIOS. I have downloaded the manufacturer's latest LAN drivers for Win 7.

Good and Bad produce the same network map, but on Bad, the icons shown for other computers are not clickable, and those computers do not show up in the network list except sporadically.

And you were right about the frustration.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
12 Dec 2009   #18
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

I can't say why workgroup isn't working but if both machines are using windows 7 you should try using the Homegroup.

After setting up Homegroup on both machines try doing this from the Bad machine. With the Libraries folder open Click the "share with" button then choose Homegroup read/write and see if the files are viewable from the other machine.

If both machines are using different Op systems you need to use either public or workgroup. It's difficult to say why it works perfectly for some and not for others.

Disabling IPv6 seems to work for some people who can't use Homegroups.


Attached Thumbnails
-libraries-share-.jpg  
Attached Images
 
My System SpecsSystem Spec
12 Dec 2009   #19
RichardJU

Win 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
Try doing this from the Bad machine. Click the share with button then choose Homegroup read/write.
I'm not using Homegroups. I would need to set location to Home rather than Work. Is that what you were wondering?

Also did you get this question?

"I'm not sure what you mean by "If even one part of a name isn't correct""

Thanks again.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
12 Dec 2009   #20
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Microsoft warns against using dual names for a machine "single names are best" according to Msoft. Also any names using a symbol that isn't a letter can also cause problems. All machine names need to be different, but the user names can be the same apparently. And all machines need to be share the same workgroup name obviously enough.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Reply

 Homegroup Problem: Network Discovery Issue




Thread Tools




Similar help and support threads
Thread Forum
Windows 7 Network Discovery Issue
I'm unable to get my network discovery working. This is preventing me from connecting to my homegroup and even my printer. I can ping the other computers and devices on my network, I just can't connect to them. Here are all the services currently running. Application Experience Background...
Network & Sharing
Network discovery & computer browser svc issue, but no error in EV
I have a small home network with a A)Win7 desktop, B)a Win7 laptop, and C)an XP desktop. I work primarily with A. I did some network refiddling to replace a router. All seems to be working, but when I try to enable Network Discovery or File & Printer Sharing on A, they turn themselves right back...
Network & Sharing
Network Discovery Issue -- Blue Screen!
I have a laptop with windows ultimate 64 , when I enable network discovery and file sharing so the system can connect a media player that use samba for file sharing and my system crash , I had a Zone alarm that uninstalled it here is the output of dump file but I really don't know how to analyze...
BSOD Help and Support
Network Discovery Issue...I think
Hey all, Just changed from a Linksys WRT160N to a Belkin Play F7D4302UK and everything has gone smoothly apart from one thing. For some reason using the Belkin I don't think my PCs and devices (I have a Popcorn A110 too) are able to broadcast their presence to eachother anymore. I can...
Network & Sharing
network discovery? problem
I have a problem. We have 4 network storage drives between 2 offices that our servers backup to daily. every other week we swap 2 of the drives out with the other office so that we have backups in 2 locations offsite. the problem is that the 2 offices are on the same domain but 2 differant subnets....
Network & Sharing
Network Discovery Issue
So I recently upgraded my laptop from Vista to 7. I have a desktop running Vista. After upgrading the laptop, I mapped the secondary drive of the desktop as a network drive on the laptop. It worked fine for a couple of days. Then the laptop wouldn't connect to the drive. I checked the network page...
Network & Sharing


Our Sites

Site Links

About Us

Find Us

Windows 7 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 7" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

Designer Media Ltd

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 20:42.

Twitter Facebook Google+



Windows 7 Forums

Seven Forums Android App Seven Forums IOS App