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Windows 7: Shared drive only appearing for some computers

17 Aug 2013   #21
sharpnova

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

And I did try the security thing that iterates through folders and stopped it early on because it would have taken hours to complete.

So the trouble computer can see the drive. Can see all the folders on the drive. And when you try to enter one of those folders, if it's one of the ones it got to during the recursion, it can enter it and read files. If it's not, then it gives an error.

To me this is very messy and I'd like to completely undo that process and share this as I feel it should have worked fine to begin with.

I simply want to understand how to share this drive like normal.


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17 Aug 2013   #22
sharpnova

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Shadowjk View Post
Because a drive is formatted as NTFS and needs permissions applied to it (Security Tab). Since there are different computer names the most appropriate usergroup is everyone. It needs to apply to all folders otherwise you will only be able to access the root of the drive and not any folders inside it since they are a different UNC paths

Josh
Then why could one of the computers on the network access the drive perfectly fine when all I did was share it like normal?
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17 Aug 2013   #23
sharpnova

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
Your last statement contradicts the previous one as it's obvious that at least one machine doesn't have access at all.

From what I have read about drives bigger than 2TB, you may be able to see the drive but won't be able to use more than 2TB. This according to the link I posted earlier.

It sounds like the credential requirement may be built into the drive's security settings although you may be able to get around that by making adjustments to the Local Security Policy's of each machine.

Try these settings to see if they make a difference.

Control Panel - Administrative Tools - Local Security Policy

Local Policies - Security Options

Network security: LAN Manager authentication level
Set to Send LM & NTLM responses only

Set the Minimum session security for NTLM SSP
Disable Require 128-bit encryption

The screen shots below should be helpful.

Reboot all machines after making the adjustment.

Anyway, I'm outta here people. Too many cooks etc. It's really a shame that I can't follow a single thread of my own any longer.
No. I did not contradict myself. I am saying that when you plug this drive into any of the computers directly, they see, read, and write to the drive without any issue whatsoever. They see all 24 TB of it and can access all of the 20 TB of written data.

The problem is that when I plug it into one computer and share it with "Everyone", only one of the other two can access it via the Network. The other one cannot see it.
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17 Aug 2013   #24
sharpnova

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

This is so frustrating! I wish one person could simply explain to me the straightforward means by which to share a drive with a network.

I never setup any homegroup. Do I need to?

I never setup any workgroup. Do I need to?

I right clicked the drive went to sharing and simply clicked a square box to share the drive.

Instantly one of the computers on the network could see it. I need both of the other computers on the network to see it.

None of this behavior is consistent with any of the explanations given so far.

So PLEASE ask for more information if you need it to help me diagnose this.

I do not accept that I need to go into security permissions and have it actually recursively iterate through all files and folders on this drive to make it shareable on the network. Because I did NOT do that to begin with and one of the other computers sees the drive just fine.
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17 Aug 2013   #25
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sharpnova View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
Your last statement contradicts the previous one as it's obvious that at least one machine doesn't have access at all.

From what I have read about drives bigger than 2TB, you may be able to see the drive but won't be able to use more than 2TB. This according to the link I posted earlier.

It sounds like the credential requirement may be built into the drive's security settings although you may be able to get around that by making adjustments to the Local Security Policy's of each machine.

Try these settings to see if they make a difference.

Control Panel - Administrative Tools - Local Security Policy

Local Policies - Security Options

Network security: LAN Manager authentication level
Set to Send LM & NTLM responses only

Set the Minimum session security for NTLM SSP
Disable Require 128-bit encryption

The screen shots below should be helpful.

Reboot all machines after making the adjustment.



Anyway, I'm outta here people. Too many cooks etc. It's really a shame that I can't follow a single thread of my own any longer.
No. I did not contradict myself. I am saying that when you plug this drive into any of the computers directly, they see, read, and write to the drive without any issue whatsoever. They see all 24 TB of it and can access all of the 20 TB of written data.

The problem is that when I plug it into one computer and share it with "Everyone", only one of the other two can access it via the Network. The other one cannot see it.
There is no secret to this, you need to enable the Everyone share on the Security tab of this drive, the same as Everyone else in the free world. And you did contradict your own statements when you said that one machines can't access the drive and then turned right around and said that all machines can access the drive. I won't bother quoting you on this because it seems trivial at this point.

This drive being 24TB doesn't mean this won't still be true, it's too bad that it takes so long although, as I have repeated many times already this process would be faster if you shared from the Drive Letter:>USERS folder, rather than the root of the drive. This is actually the way Windows is designed and for good reason. Only people who have no knowledge of how the NTFS security permissions function would dispute this.

Unless all users in this network have the exact same User name and password this is THE ONLY WAY to share a drive with all Users. Unless you simply set up a Homegroup on all machines then add the network drives to the appropriate Library which is set up to share with the Homegroup of course, but that would be too easy I'm sure.

I won't get into the fact that just about any anti virus software can keep machines from seeing drives unless they are configured correctly. And having one machine in a Homegroup probably isn't helping either but you didn't seem interested in following directions on that point either.

Yes Shadow you did highjack my thread and then repeated most of what was mentioned in my original link about this. HDD sharing

Although the Op seemed so confused about this basic sharing requirement it's hard to blame you directly.

Where is that beating a dead horse icon when you need it?
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17 Aug 2013   #26
Shadowjk

Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1 ; Windows Server 2012 R2 Standard
 
 

My apologies , I just wanted to clarify to the OP why you had to edit the NTFS permissions anyway I'll leave this alone although I don't think there's anything else to be said
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21 Aug 2013   #27
sharpnova

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

chev65, it is beyond clear at this point that English is not your first language. That said, and for that reason, I can't blame you for continuing to insist that I've contradicted myself in my statements.

But as I stated, and continue to state because it is true, every machine is able to access the drive, individually, if I plug the drive directly into that machine.

But sharing it over the network, not all machines can access it.

Re: "if you shared from the Drive Letter:>USERS folder, rather than the root of the drive."

As I have stated multiple times, I do not know what you mean by this. I am not attempting to share a folder on my boot drive. I am trying to share another drive. So why would I go over to my Users folder on my C: drive.. and do what exactly? That recommendation has made no sense to me from the start and from the start, it's felt like a simple clarification would have solved that particular communication problem. But you have only repeated it (beating a dead horse so to speak) rather than clarify what you mean. How do you share "from a folder"? You share a folder.. or drive. So that made no sense to me and I feel you could have clarified this easily but are attempting to be snarky. It's rude, disrespectful, and totally unnecessary.

"Unless all users in this network have the exact same User name and password this is THE ONLY WAY to share a drive with all Users. Unless you simply set up a Homegroup on all machines then add the network drives to the appropriate Library which is set up to share with the Homegroup of course, but that would be too easy I'm sure."

Then please explain why one of the other computers on the network, which by no means has a username or password in common with the sharing machine, was able to see and access the drive with zero difficulties from the very start when all I did, as in my opinion all I should have *had* to do, was right click on the drive and select share. This completely contradicts what you just said.

"I won't get into the fact that just about any anti virus software can keep machines from seeing drives unless they are configured correctly. And having one machine in a Homegroup probably isn't helping either but you didn't seem interested in following directions on that point either. "

None of the computers are using anti virus software. I've never used anti virus software in my life on any machine, nor have I ever had an infection of any kind. Despite my ignorance of the inner workings of Windows networking, which unless you are an irrational fanboi, you have to admit is utterly terrible, I am extremely computer literate, a programmer, write compilers, have been working on my own tag-based operating system, building a ray tracer lighting engine, have designed components of the ALU's in AMD processors, etc. etc. I have no need for antivirus software and find that it is most useful in maintaining networks of a wide variety of tech savviness in their userbase.

I have all three computers in a homegroup. I put them all in the same homegroup early in this conversation. Though I was never advised to. So your implication that I wasn't willing to follow directions to that effect were completely unfounded and again an attempt on your part to be snarky.

Btw, another example of why windows networking is so terrible: There is really no way to know if computers share a homegroup. There's no central "homegroup" UI element in windows that would show me a list of computers in a homegroup. Adding a computer to a homegroup, which involves manually typing the name of the homegroup gives the EXACT same feedback whether you are joining an existing homegroup or creating one from scratch. It simply says "Welcome to homegroup <homegroup name>"
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21 Aug 2013   #28
sharpnova

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
Unless you simply set up a Homegroup on all machines then add the network drives to the appropriate Library which is set up to share with the Homegroup of course, but that would be too easy I'm sure.
It must have been too *something* for you not to suggest this from the start. It seems that you were only willing to have me pursue one of two solutions:

-badger you incessantly to get you to clarify what you mean by sharing *from* the C:Users folder. having to wrestle with your inferior language skills in doing so. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
-have it recursively iterate through all files/folders on a 24 TB drive containing 20 TB of media. (<-- idiotic solution. not reasonable. not scalable. not futureproof. not portable. not secure. not the proper way to treat a somewhat sensitive RAID array. only the type of thing someone would suggest to make someone's life more difficult)

I will try this method tomorrow. Though I expect, like everything else you've suggested, it will be pretty much worthless.
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