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Windows 7: Local Area Connection doesn'thave a valid IP configuation

29 Nov 2014   #11
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by icacream View Post
I only have a modem - well, it's what they call a BOX here, but I guess that's what it is, gives me net and phone
Right. Depending on your provider, and the type of equipment, it might be just a modem by itself (with one single ethernet port on the back, along with one or two telephone jacks), or it might be a combination modem+router (with probably four ethernet ports on the back) that might even support wireless as well as wired connections.

Since your screenshot shows an IP address of 192.168.x.x for both your IPv4 address as well as that of the default gateway, I'm going to guess you actually have a combination modem+router, since that's the type of IP addressing assignment scheme which is characteristic of a router, rather than that of a modem.

From your point of view, it really doesn't matter much. But just for full understanding of what your equipment looks like, does your "BOX" have just one ethernet port on its rear, or does it have four? That really is the giveaway that it's just a modem (with one ethernet port) or a combination modem+router (with four ethernet ports). If you could provide the manufacturer brand name and model, that would confirm it.

But again, it's not really that important if you only have one PC at the far reaches other end of your house and you're connecting "wired" to the BOX via the pair of ethernet-over-powerline gizmos. It only becomes significant if you also had wireless laptops and wanted to share the Internet connection through the BOX via wireless, and/or if you had additional laptops or PCs or "smart TV's or BluRay players" elsewhere in the house and again wanted to let them get to the Internet for their streaming apps. Now the wired/wireless router functionality would come into play, as would your apparent lack of true ethernet cabling running throughout your house. You'd then either need (1) additional ethernet-over-powerline adapters, or (2) wireless access points to provide secondary wireless networks elsewhere in the house if the remote location couldn't get primary wireless connectivity from the BOX acceptably well, or (3) wireless range extenders to try and "amplify" the primary wireless network from the BOX to remote areas of the home where the primary wireless network itself is not reaching.

But if none of these situations applies to you yet, then there's really no need to complicate things, or this discussion.


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I was somewhat rough with powering everything back as I had simply cut power to the whole room (from the main electrical board) and switched it back on this morning.... and my connection is fine !!!!
The "progressive power-on sequence" I described (allowing each unit in sequence to stabilize before powering on the next one) is just kind of the recommended approach which has the highest probability of success. But in the end the proof is in the pudding, so if you're now back in business that's all that matters.


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when I run IPCONFIG I get all kind of stuff which means nothing to me
just curious about the Tunnel adapter isatap.... media disconnected.... is that ok ?
Not relevant to your setup. The IPv4 connectivity is all your basic home devices make use of. And it looks fine.


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30 Nov 2014   #12
icacream

win7 x64 ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dsperber View Post
combination modem+router (with probably four ethernet ports on the back) that might even support wireless as well as wired connections.
you guessed right : 4 ethernet ports and supports wifi
my IS provided it and I can't see any brand name on it

I really want to thank you for your clear explanations... it's not always that I really understand what's said on this site
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30 Nov 2014   #13
roybman

Windows 7
 
 

I am having a similar, though not quite the same, issue. I have a computer I built for my mother about a year ago. All worked fine until a couple of weeks ago, when she called to say she couldn't access the internet. I couldn't resolve the issue at her house, so brought the computer home to work on it. The computer is not at all able to acquire an IP address from the router. The router does not see this computer connected to the network. I should point out that it is connected via ethernet using the same cable I use to connect my "lab" computer, which connects without issue.
I thought possibly the ethernet on the motherboard was at issue, so put a PCI Ethernet adaptor in, but that had the same issue. I've removed the firewall software to rule that out. I read this thread and tried executing the ipconfig/release, but not surprisingly get a message that "An address has not yet been associated with the network endpoint."
I'm stuck as to why this computer cannot get an IP address and thus connect to the internet. Any insight or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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30 Nov 2014   #14
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by roybman View Post
I'm stuck as to why this computer cannot get an IP address and thus connect to the internet. Any insight or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
First, what happens when you run IPCONFIG in a command-prompt window? What shows, if anything, for "ethernet local area connection"?




Also, check your TCPIP IPv4 configuration. Click on the Start button, and enter "network connections" in the "search programs and files" field (all without the surrounding quotes, of course). You should now see a presentation where your wired ethernet adapter is shown as "local area connection". Screenshot of this would be helpful.

Select (left-click) and then right-click on that "local area connection" link, and select "Properties" to get the Properties dialog window.

On the Networking tab of the Properties dialog, select the "Internet protocol version 4" item, and then push the Properties button to get the TCP/IPv4 window. You should then see "obtain an IP address automatically" checked, as well as the "obtain DNS server address automatically" checked.

Yes? Or do you have some manual settings set where it should show "obtain automatically"? Or what?




Additionally, if you click on the network icon in the system tray, select "open network and sharing center". Screenshot please.

Then left-click on the "local area connection" link, to get connection status dialog window. Push the Properties button, to get the Properties dialog window. Then select the TCPIP IPv4 item, push the Properties button, to get the IPv4 Properties dialog window. Again, this should show "obtain address automatically". Does it?

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30 Nov 2014   #15
roybman

Windows 7
 
 

Thanks for the reply.
Screen shots are going to be a problem to supply, since the computer at issue is unable to connect to anything, even within my home network.
To answer your questions:
1) IPCONFIG shows the following:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix : "my note - it's blank"
Link-Local IPv6 address : "looks to be a MAC address"
Autoconfiguration IPv4 address : 169.254.199.49
Subnet Mask : 255.255.0.0

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 11:
Media State : Media disconnected

Note: The IPv4 address above is not the current IP address of my modem.

2) Since I'm unable to provide a screenshot of the network connections, it says:
Local Area Connection
Unidentified network
Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller

3) In Properties, yes, "obtain an IP address automatically" is checked, and "obtain DNS server address automatically" is also checked. This is true for both IPv4 and IPv6 properties.


4) Again, in lieu of screenshots, the "network and sharing center" shows "Unidentified network" where I would expect to see my home network. Yes, the properties here show "obtain an IP address automatically"

Additionally, clicking "See full map" yields "Windows cannot create the network map".
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30 Nov 2014   #16
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by roybman View Post
To answer your questions:
1) IPCONFIG shows the following:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix : "my note - it's blank"
Link-Local IPv6 address : "looks to be a MAC address"
Autoconfiguration IPv4 address : 169.254.199.49
Subnet Mask : 255.255.0.0

Note: The IPv4 address above is not the current IP address of my modem.
What do you mean by this? Are you saying that this IP address is left over from when the PC was at your mother's house?

Obviously, if this PC is connected to a router then the IP address should be something like 192.168.*.*, or 10.0.0.*, or similar. The above value looks like an actual IP address assigned to a modem by the DHCP server of the ISP, when you're connected directly to the single ethernet port on the modem rather than going through a router.

Also, there's no "default gateway" item shown?


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2) Since I'm unable to provide a screenshot of the network connections, it says:
Local Area Connection
Unidentified network
Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
What happens if you select this Realtek object, and then right-click and select "disable". The network icon in the system tray should then show a red "X" on it.

Then right-click again, and now select "enable". The red "X" should disappear, and something should try to connect, and then you'll either see an exclamation mark on the network icon or not (if it actually succeeded in connecting).

What happens? And do you still see "unidentified network" in network connections? Or is it now your home LAN's network name?


Your Device Manager -> network adapters shows the Realtek PCIe GBE item properly installed with current drivers?

What happens if you try all this but with the add-on PCIe ethernet adapter card you said you added? If you connect an ethernet cable from the card's port to the router (and of course you need to re-boot), what now (i.e. to all the same earlier questions I had)?

You do need to re-boot and restart Windows when making network cable connection changes, just to be sure that's happening. Hot swapping doesn't really work here.
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01 Dec 2014   #17
icacream

win7 x64 ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by roybman View Post
Screen shots are going to be a problem to supply, since the computer at issue is unable to connect to anything, even within my home network.
I have been there : screenshots go from one computer to an other one via a USB stick.....
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01 Dec 2014   #18
roybman

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dsperber View Post
What do you mean by this? Are you saying that this IP address is left over from when the PC was at your mother's house?
Obviously, if this PC is connected to a router then the IP address should be something like 192.168.*.*, or 10.0.0.*, or similar. The above value looks like an actual IP address assigned to a modem by the DHCP server of the ISP, when you're connected directly to the single ethernet port on the modem rather than going through a router.
Also, there's no "default gateway" item shown?
The computer is connected to a router at my house, as it was also when at my mother's house. The IP address may have been my mother's, but it should be 192.168.*.* at either location.
I've attached the screen shot of the ipconfig.


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What happens if you select this Realtek object, and then right-click and select "disable". The network icon in the system tray should then show a red "X" on it.
Then right-click again, and now select "enable". The red "X" should disappear, and something should try to connect, and then you'll either see an exclamation mark on the network icon or not (if it actually succeeded in connecting).
What happens? And do you still see "unidentified network" in network connections? Or is it now your home LAN's network name?
As expected, I get the red "X" on disable and an exclamation mark on reenable. And I still get unidentified network. I've attached a screenshot from before the disable. An interesting point on this is upon reenabling, the network showed as public instead of as Home Network, as shown in the screenshot.
I changed it back to Home network, but it has no impact.

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Your Device Manager -> network adapters shows the Realtek PCIe GBE item properly installed with current drivers?
Yes.

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What happens if you try all this but with the add-on PCIe ethernet adapter card you said you added? If you connect an ethernet cable from the card's port to the router (and of course you need to re-boot), what now (i.e. to all the same earlier questions I had)?
You do need to re-boot and restart Windows when making network cable connection changes, just to be sure that's happening. Hot swapping doesn't really work here.
This yields the same results across the board.

I very much appreciate the assistance. I'm stumped.


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01 Dec 2014   #19
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Toughie.

For one, that's an unusual IP address to show up as "autoconfiguration IPv4 address". It resolves to

ICANN,
Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
12025 Waterfront Drive
Suite 300
Los Angeles
CA
90292
United States

I've never seen "autoconfiguration IPv4 address" appear from IPCONFIG, so I don't know what that actually is conveying to us.

And of course the absence of any "default gateway" is probably just a side consequence of really not communicating correctly with the router at all, and hence not the modem, and hence not the ISP. This is simply another way of saying "no Internet access".


If your router is 192.168.x.x, can you use your second PC to talk to it and see what "attached devices" shows as?

If the problem PC is physically connected to the router via cable, you'd think the router would have some recognition of its identity and would have wanted to assign an IP address.


One more thing that is at least curious to me. Your Local Area Connection Properties dialog shows some reference to Marvel VLAN. Is this a VPN setup of some type? What is this?

I ask, because I have my own VPN connections to customer machines for my work. Whenever VPN is active there is no access to the true open Internet (e.g. web browsing, email, etc.), because the secure connections facilitated by the VPN tunneling disable all of that non-secured activity. I can only communicate with the remote customer mainframe, but nothing else at all. Can't even talk to other PC's on my home LAN, because TCPIP has been completely disabled. My PC can't even talk to the internal PCIe Ceton TV tuner card inside my machine, because each tuner on the card is communicated with via IP address and TCPIP, which is completely unavailable as long my VPN connection is active. And as soon as I end the VPN connection all normal TCPIP activities are returned to normal life and are once again available.

So... what are those Marvel Link Aggregation Protocol and Marvel VLAN Protocol things I see??
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01 Dec 2014   #20
roybman

Windows 7
 
 

To be honest, I'm not sure what the Marvel Link Aggregation Protocol and Marvel VLAN Protocol are. They were added when I updated the driver. That said, they were not there when the issue started. I updated the driver, they appeared upon that update, and I still had the same issue.
I have 13 devices listed by my router, 8 active and 5 inactive. Of the 8 active, 2 are desktop computers. None are the problem computer.
I agree, the fact that the router doesn't see the computer is probably the most baffling aspect of this. I've had computers with issues connecting before, and it was usually some configuration issue or firewall issue, and regardless, they would show up in the routers list of devices. I've never seen this before, and am stumped on why it's happening.
Particularly in light of the fact that it was working for nearly a year without issue until a couple of weeks ago.
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