| Windows 7: Homegroup Read/Write Issue |
27 Mar 2010
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Homegroup Read/Write Issue I have two desktops, one Windows 7 Ultimate X64 and the other XP Pro X86, Ive setup homegroup and set the files to read only, but the XP machine is still able to delete the files from Windows 7, ive tried setting permissions under the security tab, but no luck. Does anyone have any ideas?
Thx | My System Specs |
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27 Mar 2010
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#2 | | XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86 Southern Ontario Canada |

Quote: Originally Posted by edmund88 I have two desktops, one Windows 7 Ultimate X64 and the other XP Pro X86, Ive setup homegroup and set the files to read only, but the XP machine is still able to delete the files from Windows 7, ive tried setting permissions under the security tab, but no luck. Does anyone have any ideas?
Thx Switch over to Work Groups from Home Groups... running mixed OSs in the Homegroup environment is buggy as all get out. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Homebrew OS XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86 CPU Amd 64 x2 4200 (2.4ghz) Motherboard Asus M2N-MX SE Plus Memory Kingston DDR2 800 2gb Graphics Card Nvidia GF-8400 Sound Card Realtek on Motherboard Monitor(s) Displays Acer x-193bw Screen Resolution 1440 x 900 Keyboard yes Mouse yes PSU 350watt In-Win Case In-Win Cooling Air Hard Drives Western Digital 500g Internet Speed 5mpbs Other Info Also ASRock ION 330 as HTPC (on XP).
Acer Aspire as GP netbook (on XP). |
27 Mar 2010
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I did that as well, and no luck, im sharing by folder and giving Read permission only, do I have to give each file Read permission individually rather than by folder, or does it not matter? | My System Specs | | |
27 Mar 2010
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#4 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
Set it to "read only" for homegroup in the folder properties. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
27 Mar 2010
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#5 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 Newport, South Wales, UK |
As homegroup is not supported in XP - any settings you make on the Windows 7 using the homegroup options, the "share with ..." Etc. right click options, will not apply to the XP machine.
What you need to do is set the advanced sharing permissions for the shared folders on the Windows 7 machine, as you are already able to delete files on the Windows 7 system from xp the NTFS permissions may be left as they are | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Real World Computing (Me + a little help from Acer) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1035T 2.6 GHz Motherboard Aspire M3400 Memory 4Gb PC10600 DDR3 1333 MHz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 315 512MB Sound Card OnBoard - Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Philips 32" HDTV, (HDMI) + 26" TV (VGA) Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 @60Hz + 1360 x 768 @60Hz Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) Mouse Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) PSU Stock (400W) Case Acer M3400 Cooling Stock Hard Drives 500 GB Seagate ST3500418AS SATA II
1 TB Hitachi HDS5C1010CLA382 SATAII
1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 HD103SI SATA II (external)
Plus various other (client ) HDDs as needed Internet Speed Temporaray 3G Dongle Antivirus Avast Browser Chrome Other Info USB Capture + Webcam(s) Bamboo Digitizer tablet
Also run Acer AspireOne 530h Netbook, Dual Core Atom + 1GB (Win7 Ult x86) Plus various test systems for new projects |
27 Mar 2010
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#6 | | XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86 Southern Ontario Canada |

Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 As homegroup is not supported in XP - any settings you make on the Windows 7 using the homegroup options, the "share with ..." Etc. right click options, will not apply to the XP machine. No kidding.... I just took my netbook (on XP) and went to \ \amps\d$ (which is Windows 7) and it let me in the root of an unshared drive without even asking for a password.
Back to workgroups....
Last edited by CommonTater; 27 Mar 2010 at 06:52 PM..
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Homebrew OS XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86 CPU Amd 64 x2 4200 (2.4ghz) Motherboard Asus M2N-MX SE Plus Memory Kingston DDR2 800 2gb Graphics Card Nvidia GF-8400 Sound Card Realtek on Motherboard Monitor(s) Displays Acer x-193bw Screen Resolution 1440 x 900 Keyboard yes Mouse yes PSU 350watt In-Win Case In-Win Cooling Air Hard Drives Western Digital 500g Internet Speed 5mpbs Other Info Also ASRock ION 330 as HTPC (on XP).
Acer Aspire as GP netbook (on XP). |
27 Mar 2010
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#7 | | XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86 Southern Ontario Canada |

Quote: Originally Posted by edmund88 I did that as well, and no luck, im sharing by folder and giving Read permission only, do I have to give each file Read permission individually rather than by folder, or does it not matter? Yeah, it's folder by folder. If it's in a Workgroup setting the default share permission is for "Everyone" to have read only permission. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Homebrew OS XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86 CPU Amd 64 x2 4200 (2.4ghz) Motherboard Asus M2N-MX SE Plus Memory Kingston DDR2 800 2gb Graphics Card Nvidia GF-8400 Sound Card Realtek on Motherboard Monitor(s) Displays Acer x-193bw Screen Resolution 1440 x 900 Keyboard yes Mouse yes PSU 350watt In-Win Case In-Win Cooling Air Hard Drives Western Digital 500g Internet Speed 5mpbs Other Info Also ASRock ION 330 as HTPC (on XP).
Acer Aspire as GP netbook (on XP). |
28 Mar 2010
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#8 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 Newport, South Wales, UK |
One thing you have to be aware of is that XP has two forms of workgroup sharing, simple and advanced.
The simple sharing is a holdout from the days of FAT drives which did not have any in-built security at a file level.
As simple sharing is not really compatible with the file permissions of NTFS drives it is not supported in Windows 7 or Vista.
Any sharing in XP where Vista or Windows 7 systems are involved must use the advanced networking function. It is also required that the file NTFS File permissions are taken into account as there can override the sharing permissions
This can get very complex due to the dual layer of access control and was the major reason for the development of the homegroup which still uses the advanced networking/NTFS file permissions model but places a user friendly front end on the use
It is possible to set the homegroup permissions and then use these from the XP system but this is very complex due to the need to create special system user groups so any XP/ Windows 7 set-up is best left to the older advanced sharing function
Last edited by Barman58; 28 Mar 2010 at 05:31 AM..
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| My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Real World Computing (Me + a little help from Acer) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1035T 2.6 GHz Motherboard Aspire M3400 Memory 4Gb PC10600 DDR3 1333 MHz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 315 512MB Sound Card OnBoard - Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Philips 32" HDTV, (HDMI) + 26" TV (VGA) Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 @60Hz + 1360 x 768 @60Hz Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) Mouse Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) PSU Stock (400W) Case Acer M3400 Cooling Stock Hard Drives 500 GB Seagate ST3500418AS SATA II
1 TB Hitachi HDS5C1010CLA382 SATAII
1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 HD103SI SATA II (external)
Plus various other (client ) HDDs as needed Internet Speed Temporaray 3G Dongle Antivirus Avast Browser Chrome Other Info USB Capture + Webcam(s) Bamboo Digitizer tablet
Also run Acer AspireOne 530h Netbook, Dual Core Atom + 1GB (Win7 Ult x86) Plus various test systems for new projects |
28 Mar 2010
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Wow thanks for all your replies, I was using workgroups initially as well as advanced file sharing, which I prefer over homegroup, but the XP machine was still able to modify/delete the files. Maybe ive setup the workgroup incorrectly, I have both systems joined to "Workgroup," XP is in advanced file sharing, Ive set the Win 7 Folder containing the files to Read only permission under advanced sharing and have the simultaneous users set to 1, can anyone verify ive done this correctly? | My System Specs | | |
28 Mar 2010
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#10 | | XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86 Southern Ontario Canada |

Quote: Originally Posted by edmund88 Wow thanks for all your replies, I was using workgroups initially as well as advanced file sharing, which I prefer over homegroup, but the XP machine was still able to modify/delete the files. Maybe ive setup the workgroup incorrectly, I have both systems joined to "Workgroup," XP is in advanced file sharing, Ive set the Win 7 Folder containing the files to Read only permission under advanced sharing and have the simultaneous users set to 1, can anyone verify ive done this correctly? It sounds about right.
The question is what account names are the machines connecting under?
If for example you have the same account names and passwords, with admin priveledges, on both computers, then you have full control on the file shares by default.
What I generally do is create a limited user account on all machines, same user name, same password, and use it to log onto file shares. Since it's not YOUR account that's connecting your admin priveledges don't override the share permissions. People don't have to log into the limited account (in fact you don't want them to)... they just use it's user name and password to connect to the shares.
You, as the network admin, can continue logging in with admin priveledges giving you full control where you need it. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Homebrew OS XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86 CPU Amd 64 x2 4200 (2.4ghz) Motherboard Asus M2N-MX SE Plus Memory Kingston DDR2 800 2gb Graphics Card Nvidia GF-8400 Sound Card Realtek on Motherboard Monitor(s) Displays Acer x-193bw Screen Resolution 1440 x 900 Keyboard yes Mouse yes PSU 350watt In-Win Case In-Win Cooling Air Hard Drives Western Digital 500g Internet Speed 5mpbs Other Info Also ASRock ION 330 as HTPC (on XP).
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