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Windows 7: I think I have confirmed we ALL have W7, wi-fi issues


31 Mar 2010   #21

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I just tired from my wireless netbook again, getting mostly 2,,4,4,4,4,6,8,8, then I got a time out, then a few 47,29,24,118,103. The wired was 1 the whole time. Currently it's on a building Cisco AP. Does similar on my home router. My iMac is wireless and has no problems with my home router.


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31 Mar 2010   #22

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pampum View Post
....Just a lot of people may not notice it much or be that bothered by it. Personnaly I cant stand it.

In short, wi-fi latency has gone from consistently under 1ms on XP, and vista AFAIK, to anywhere between 2-50ms. To your own router!

I have done many tests and pretty much isolated its the OS. I have tried it at friends places as well, and their windows 7 x64 does the same, ping's are around 3-8. They dont have that initial spike, but otherwise the same as me.

Give it a go, if you are running 7 preferably 64 bit 7, find your wireless routers IP address, open cmd from the start orb, and in there type

ping "your routers IP adress" -n 100

so bassialy if yor ip is 192.1.1.10 you type

ping 192.1.1.10 -n 100

And watch the pings roll by.

Heres the aboslute best results I have gotten. Pings are worse now, about 3,4 4, 6, 4, 3 etc.

Anything over 1ms consistently is just a joke.

Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 2ms, Maximum = 44ms, Average = 12ms

check out my thread as well

Extremely poor Wi-fi performance in 7. Max signal. W7 constantly scanning wi-fi? Is it W7?

Lets try get a fix going. This is ridiculous. Is this the future of computing, laggier networking performance?
Just tried this with my machines... Windows 7 averaged about 40ms, XP around 17.

Now that's an eye opener.
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31 Mar 2010   #23

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pampum View Post
No safe mode. I have tried on two different routers within my home, with 2 different installations of win 7 on different machines. I Then try do it running xp and its 1ms always.

I then went to my freinds house who also has win 7 on his HP laptop ( high specced new lappy) and he was getting 3, 4 ,5, 4, 3, 8, etc as well. He has nothing of mine, I dont touch his comps one bit. I dont know what else to tell you.

What do you mean its just hard to see... You think I am joking around?

This is a massive problem for me, it means I may have to go back to vista and I dont want to. It might even mean I have to skip 7 altogether, and who knows if the next version will be any better.
There's a lot doing down the drain if I cant fix this. but threes no way I will put up with above 1ms ping's.
Are you be chance using homegroup? Homegroup uses a newer protocol called IPv6. some systems experience intermittent connectivity problems in IPv6. You can verify if that is the problem by creating a new network connection using workgroup. If workgourp works, you can disable IPv6 and kill the homegroup.

Let us know if you need help with any of this.

Ken
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31 Mar 2010   #24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

No problems here. Windows 7 Home Premium x64.


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31 Mar 2010   #25

Windows 7
 
 

Are the people posting all 1s sure they are on wireless?
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31 Mar 2010   #26

Windows 7 64x
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Desslok View Post
Are the people posting all 1s sure they are on wireless?
I am.

However my previous test was at home. I am now at work where we have close to 20 wireless routers setup and my results are different.


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31 Mar 2010   #27

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Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Duke of Alinor View Post
Pampum, don't give up, Windows 7 networking is a known problem. I think they will fix most, if not all the mechanical problems (high latency compared to XP on some systems). Probably not the interface problems (confusing and with many screens), but there will eventually be a way to make this work.
Please tell me where can I find more information about this statement, that Windows 7 networking is a known problem?

I've never heard that before. Windows 7 networking a known problem?

If you and your mate have some problems, it does not mean it's a known problem. I'm running several Seven rigs at home and at work, never met or seen a networking problem. At home, a five computer Homegroup working perfectly, at work Windows 7 rigs nice and easily in domain.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Desslok View Post
Are the people posting all 1s sure they are on wireless?
A question not worth answering.
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31 Mar 2010   #28

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

This is yet another compatiblity problem, either with the router or the wireless driver involved, possibly even the wlan settings but that is less likely, it also has to do with how far the laptop is from the router. This screen shot is from my wife's new Sony laptop using WPA 2 about 12 feet away in the next room. Homegroups has nothing to do with this problem.

It's easy enough to prove that it's not directly related to Windows 7 with a screen shot. So while Windows 7 isn't directly responsible for the problem, compatablity issues are the most likely cause. Try using a different router or different drivers is about all I can think of. I'm using a D-Link DIR 655, as you can see there are no latency issues here. I went with 25 pings which is good enough. Of course the further you are from the router the latency will be more.


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01 Apr 2010   #29

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Desslok View Post
Are the people posting all 1s sure they are on wireless?
A question not worth answering.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps the question should be posed to ferret out the root cause. There are dozens of variables that could increase latency. I suspect traffic jamming on channel 11. In a densely populated area with cheap wifi routers (like a Cali subdi) you will have frequency pongs in modulation due to the variations of manufacturers and possible hysteresis with N. Most routers don't channel switch properly because the radio test conditions that warrant it are so hard to simulate for QA. Buy about 100 competing products, wire them and place them naturally about an OC neighborhood. That's a test bed.
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03 Apr 2010   #30

7 x64 U
 
 

Guys I wrote a comprehensive response addressing every new post this far, but when I posted I had been logged and I lost the whole thing. Cannot write that up again.

In short.
Duke of allinor, it doesn't looks like there any kind of easy fix so I probably will HAVE to give up, as this is ridiculous and no one is suggesting anything I have not tried. I am not blaming anyone but I still have the stance that something windows 7 has done is causing this, nothing else.

ZIGZAg, I have tried every kind of IPv6 setting on and off, REgistry entries
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\TCPIP6\Parameters, DisabledComponents, blah blah, forcing IPs, this is all useless as none of this has ANYTHING to do with the problem, which I again think is the way windows 7 64 bit handles wireless networks.

it makes absolutely not a scrap of difference, none of these settings do. I have gone from a to Z of networking adjustments, they don't even affect the pings one bit.

Kari, widnows 7 networking may be able to work fine, but In my opinion they have overcomplicated the whole thing making it harder an MORE ANNOYING. Libraries, address bar locations not making sense an not know where you are, access denied, files duplicating themselves in libraries to be shared, a lot things not accessible to your OWN computes etc is ridiculously. Simple file sharing was much much better, I am in a home not a office i don't need security within my own network.
HECK windoes 7 networking dont even work out of the box. To start up a networking it keeps telling you to make a homegroup, which I do not want, I just want normal network access to all compuers like every previous OS!, So you go ok I guess I have to give this new homegroups a go, EVEN though you are left wondering if the other operating systems on the netowrk will be left out since they dont have it, but then when you try make it its oh sorry you cant make a network IPV6 is off, let me diagnose what is the case, oh yea sorry no netowork for you, so now you end up with no netowrking whatsoever! Nice! You enevuually google it and fix it.

YOU cant even anymore see what folders are being shared at a glance when browsing a directory, they took of the HAND under the folder. You now have to highlight each folder ONE BY ONE individually to see if its shared on not. NICE WORK making things HARDER and MORE ANNOYING. How stupid are these guys. I don't see how windows 7 is any kind of improvement. Extra security in my case is more a hindrance than help, since i trust the computer in my own home so i don't need it!

Chev65, there is nothing incompatible in my setup....MY intel 4965agn is a fine wireless card, and my router works fine for every other OS. I have tried every wlan settings I can think of on the planet. Please feel free to offer some suggestions I will try it.

It has absolutely nothing with how far the computer is form the router. I have already states the pings are Idential whether I am within tongue licking distance of the router, or far away i am getting only weak signal, IDENTICAL PINGS. The wireless signal travels at the speed of light, You will run out of signal before you notice a difference pings.
I have tried every channel from 1 to 12. I have tried all these things before i even contemplated making a post here!! Funnily enough this computer wont connect to channel 13. IDENTICAL PINGS on all channels. It is not congestion from channels, my friends house, has NO OTHER wireless networks around him, NONE. And his pings are still 3, 4, 3 4, 7, 4, 3, etc....


In the end I think I am on the money when i say 7 has given up a stable single connection, for super fast switching between networks and super updating and tracking of networks around you,
NONE OF WHICH I CARE about.

Remember the dude on the windows 7 add, driving around in a car from place to place seeing how fast he can connect to wireless networks before moving on to the next. WHO THE HELL DOES THAT? Unless you are trying to download stuff of other people network, it may save you a few seconds in leeching time... What ridiculous attitude to take. I'll wait an extra few seconds to connect and have as stable connectim thanks. I mean why does widnows even scan netowkr sin the background if you ar enot requetsing too see what netowokrs there are. Trust me win 7 DOES THIS!


Barrod what are you talking about? Its almost like you havent read anything said here at all or havent thought about anything

" There are dozens of variables that could increase latency." YES but they are all controlled expect for the operating system. Suddenly there is one variable. Windows 7! The rest of your post is meaningless since you speak as if latency in general is the issue, when clearly no one i know is having latency issues on non windows 7...
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