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Windows 7: I think I have confirmed we ALL have W7, wi-fi issues

03 Apr 2010   #31

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pampum View Post
Kari, widnows 7 networking may be able to work fine, but In my opinion they have overcomplicated the whole thing making it harder an MORE ANNOYING. Libraries, address bar locations not making sense an not know where you are, access denied, files duplicating themselves in libraries to be shared, a lot things not accessible to your OWN computes etc is ridiculously. Simple file sharing was much much better, I am in a home not a office i don't need security within my own network.
HECK windoes 7 networking dont even work out of the box. To start up a networking it keeps telling you to make a homegroup, which I do not want, I just want normal network access to all compuers like every previous OS!, So you go ok I guess I have to give this new homegroups a go, EVEN though you are left wondering if the other operating systems on the netowrk will be left out since they dont have it, but then when you try make it its oh sorry you cant make a network IPV6 is off, let me diagnose what is the case, oh yea sorry no netowork for you, so now you end up with no netowrking whatsoever! Nice! You enevuually google it and fix it.
Windows 7 networking works out of the box. For instance the rigs we have home, I've first installed Seven, then drivers and then connected to network. Simple and easy, wireless and hard wired. I created homegroup only afterwards, Seven does not require homegroup for networking to work.

Libraries and address bar locations make sense to me.

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03 Apr 2010   #32

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pampum View Post
Guys I wrote a comprehensive response addressing every new post this far, but when I posted I had been logged and I lost the whole thing. Cannot write that up again.

HECK windoes 7 networking dont even work out of the box. To start up a networking it keeps telling you to make a homegroup, which I do not want, I just want normal network access to all compuers like every previous OS!, So you go ok I guess I have to give this new homegroups a go, EVEN though you are left wondering if the other operating systems on the netowrk will be left out since they dont have it, but then when you try make it its oh sorry you cant make a network IPV6 is off, let me diagnose what is the case, oh yea sorry no netowork for you, so now you end up with no netowrking whatsoever! Nice! You enevuually google it and fix it.

YOU cant even anymore see what folders are being shared at a glance when browsing a directory, they took of the HAND under the folder. You now have to highlight each folder ONE BY ONE individually to see if its shared on not. NICE WORK making things HARDER and MORE ANNOYING. How stupid are these guys. I don't see how windows 7 is any kind of improvement. Extra security in my case is more a hindrance than help, since i trust the computer in my own home so i don't need it!

Chev65, there is nothing incompatible in my setup....MY intel 4965agn is a fine wireless card, and my router works fine for every other OS. I have tried every wlan settings I can think of on the planet. Please feel free to offer some suggestions I will try it.

It has absolutely nothing with how far the computer is form the router. I have already states the pings are Idential whether I am within tongue licking distance of the router, or far away i am getting only weak signal, IDENTICAL PINGS. The wireless signal travels at the speed of light, You will run out of signal before you notice a difference pings.
I have tried every channel from 1 to 12. I have tried all these things before i even contemplated making a post here!! Funnily enough this computer wont connect to channel 13. IDENTICAL PINGS on all channels. It is not congestion from channels, my friends house, has NO OTHER wireless networks around him, NONE. And his pings are still 3, 4, 3 4, 7, 4, 3, etc....


In the end I think I am on the money when i say 7 has given up a stable single connection, for super fast switching between networks and super updating and tracking of networks around you,
NONE OF WHICH I CARE about.




The fact of the matter is that, the further you are from the wireless antenna the slower the connection is, this is fact not fiction. Anyone who knows anything knows this is true beyond any shadow of a doubt. In case you weren't aware, walls and windows slow down your connection, the speed of light has nothing to do with it.

Blaming Windows 7,IPv6,Homegroups or any other part of Windows 7 networking won't get you anywhere. If it was a Win 7 problem then we would all have it. Several posts show zero ping delay with no problems at all, that pretty much proves my point and also disproves yours.

I find it amazing you can't see the logic in that. First you blame Win 7, then you defy anyone to show you a screen shot of a wireless connection with zero latency, then when you are proven wrong, you somehow stick with your original rant then tell us that were all wrong and that Win 7 still sucks... LOL.

It's best to accept the facts in the face of defeat and improve your own system rather than play the blame game which won't get you anywhere.

If you want better pings then use a new router with wireless N capabilities and also a new network adaptor that is made to work with Windows 7. The fact is that, the only thing you tried changing is the channel which is laughable. Your trying to say that you tried everything? Well not in my book.

There have been so many router comptability problems this last year I lost count. I won't get into the fact that many here are using eithernet drivers that were never made for Windows 7. Those types of things are the source of your problem, not Windows 7!

There is only so much you can fix with a driver or firmware update and a certain point you need to upgrade your hardware. This is where effort on your part is required. Ranting and raving about how terrible Win 7 is won't get you anywhere. That is simply uninformed nonsense.

Your other complaints "rant" about how terrible the networking is with Win 7 is just so far from the truth I won't even try to elaborate.
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03 Apr 2010   #33

Windows 7 64x
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pampum View Post
Guys I wrote a comprehensive response addressing every new post this far, but when I posted I had been logged and I lost the whole thing. Cannot write that up again.

In short.
Duke of allinor, it doesn't looks like there any kind of easy fix so I probably will HAVE to give up, as this is ridiculous and no one is suggesting anything I have not tried. I am not blaming anyone but I still have the stance that something windows 7 has done is causing this, nothing else.

ZIGZAg, I have tried every kind of IPv6 setting on and off, REgistry entries
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\TCPIP6\Parameters, DisabledComponents, blah blah, forcing IPs, this is all useless as none of this has ANYTHING to do with the problem, which I again think is the way windows 7 64 bit handles wireless networks.

it makes absolutely not a scrap of difference, none of these settings do. I have gone from a to Z of networking adjustments, they don't even affect the pings one bit.

Kari, widnows 7 networking may be able to work fine, but In my opinion they have overcomplicated the whole thing making it harder an MORE ANNOYING. Libraries, address bar locations not making sense an not know where you are, access denied, files duplicating themselves in libraries to be shared, a lot things not accessible to your OWN computes etc is ridiculously. Simple file sharing was much much better, I am in a home not a office i don't need security within my own network.
HECK windoes 7 networking dont even work out of the box. To start up a networking it keeps telling you to make a homegroup, which I do not want, I just want normal network access to all compuers like every previous OS!, So you go ok I guess I have to give this new homegroups a go, EVEN though you are left wondering if the other operating systems on the netowrk will be left out since they dont have it, but then when you try make it its oh sorry you cant make a network IPV6 is off, let me diagnose what is the case, oh yea sorry no netowork for you, so now you end up with no netowrking whatsoever! Nice! You enevuually google it and fix it.

YOU cant even anymore see what folders are being shared at a glance when browsing a directory, they took of the HAND under the folder. You now have to highlight each folder ONE BY ONE individually to see if its shared on not. NICE WORK making things HARDER and MORE ANNOYING. How stupid are these guys. I don't see how windows 7 is any kind of improvement. Extra security in my case is more a hindrance than help, since i trust the computer in my own home so i don't need it!

Chev65, there is nothing incompatible in my setup....MY intel 4965agn is a fine wireless card, and my router works fine for every other OS. I have tried every wlan settings I can think of on the planet. Please feel free to offer some suggestions I will try it.

It has absolutely nothing with how far the computer is form the router. I have already states the pings are Idential whether I am within tongue licking distance of the router, or far away i am getting only weak signal, IDENTICAL PINGS. The wireless signal travels at the speed of light, You will run out of signal before you notice a difference pings.
I have tried every channel from 1 to 12. I have tried all these things before i even contemplated making a post here!! Funnily enough this computer wont connect to channel 13. IDENTICAL PINGS on all channels. It is not congestion from channels, my friends house, has NO OTHER wireless networks around him, NONE. And his pings are still 3, 4, 3 4, 7, 4, 3, etc....


In the end I think I am on the money when i say
7 has given up a stable single connection, for super fast switching between networks and super updating and tracking of networks around you,
NONE OF WHICH I CARE about.


Remember the dude on the windows 7 add, driving around in a car from place to place seeing how fast he can connect to wireless networks before moving on to the next. WHO THE HELL DOES THAT? Unless you are trying to download stuff of other people network, it may save you a few seconds in leeching time... What ridiculous attitude to take. I'll wait an extra few seconds to connect and have as stable connectim thanks. I mean why does widnows even scan netowkr sin the background if you ar enot requetsing too see what netowokrs there are. Trust me win 7 DOES THIS!


Barrod what are you talking about? Its almost like you havent read anything said here at all or havent thought about anything

" There are dozens of variables that could increase latency." YES but they are all controlled expect for the operating system. Suddenly there is one variable. Windows 7! The rest of your post is meaningless since you speak as if latency in general is the issue, when clearly no one i know is having latency issues on non windows 7...
If the root cause is switching between available networks than I don't understand why your friend suffers the same issue with no other networks around.
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04 Apr 2010   #34

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

How'd I get called out for the bashing. I was just trying to help. Sniff.
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05 Apr 2010   #35

Win7 32 / 64 and XP 32 / 64 (on various other computers as well)
 
 

[QUOTE=Kari;663129]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pampum View Post
Simple and easy, wireless and hard wired. I created homegroup only afterwards, Seven does not require homegroup for networking to work.

Libraries and address bar locations make sense to me.
Sorry, but this is totally the wrong idea. Like the guys in the lab and the decision makers in the boardroom you are out of touch with reality. Setting up a group of Windows 7 computers is child's play. In the real world you are setting up XP, Windows 7 and a Mac or two and have to accommodate guests. Guests can be hard wired or wireless.

While all that is going on you need to maintain security, no hidden shares or automatic ones without account based password protection.

Windows fails this totally in speed, ease of setup and security.

I will gladly admit I am wrong if you can post a link where this normal activity is easily and fully supported in Win 7.

Connecting to a Mac from Windows XP is a single page that works for XP.
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05 Apr 2010   #36

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Duke of Alinor View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pampum View Post
Simple and easy, wireless and hard wired. I created homegroup only afterwards, Seven does not require homegroup for networking to work.

Libraries and address bar locations make sense to me.
Sorry, but this is totally the wrong idea. Like the guys in the lab and the decision makers in the boardroom you are out of touch with reality. Setting up a group of Windows 7 computers is child's play. In the real world you are setting up XP, Windows 7 and a Mac or two and have to accommodate guests. Guests can be hard wired or wireless.

While all that is going on you need to maintain security, no hidden shares or automatic ones without account based password protection.

Windows fails this totally in speed, ease of setup and security.

I will gladly admit I am wrong if you can post a link where this normal activity is easily and fully supported in Win 7.

Connecting to a Mac from Windows XP is a single page that works for XP.
Duke, you messed with quotes. The quote in your post above is what I said, not what Pampum said.

That said, I would like to know what in my statement is 'totally wrong idea', as you say. How am I out of touch of reality?

My home network has two laptops, two desktops and an HTPC. All running Windows 7, two Home Premiums and three Ultimates. Two wireless, rest wired. Network setup was really the simpliest possible: I installed Windows 7 to all five computers and they instantly found each other. After the last rig was upgraded, I created a Homegroup, and once again all computers were able to join it, effortless.

We were talking about Windows networks, but setting up networks with PC's with Mac's and Linux rigs is also not so difficult. It's just that you have to know what you are doing.

I do not find anything in my statement you quoted that entitles you to call me a liar, not being in touch with reality.

Kari
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05 Apr 2010   #37

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

well this is mine... i know it says 2ms return time, but to be fair, my network is complicated, i have a wireless connection which feeds into a router, this router is connected to a second router via a 20M long Ethernet cable which is functioning as the gateway, so those pings are exactly what i would expect taking into account latency on both routers (eg router 1 acknowledges the ping, sends it to router 2, router 2 acknowledges the ping, sends it back to router 1 which then has to acknowledge the return ping before it sends it wirelessly to my pc) i would be willing to bet that if the pc was connected directly to the gateway via ethernet then i would see no loss at all, but to be honest i really cant be bothered with crawling around disconnecting network cables


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06 Apr 2010   #38

Win7 32 / 64 and XP 32 / 64 (on various other computers as well)
 
 

Very simply put Kari "all running Windows 7" is out of touch with reality. Most of us with a few computers do NOT wholesale install a new OS. It is just a really poor idea to put all your eggs in one basket. The prudent person installs a new OS on one computer, tests, proves things work and migrates the setup and data to the new OS.

I never called you a liar, I am sure you had no trouble at all.

The problems with Windows 7 networking is not with the "laboratory" case of all Windows 7. The problems are with the real world where we have to network different OS's. Windows 7 fails miserably there, and was probably designed to do so. Microsoft is forcing us to upgrade all our PC's.
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06 Apr 2010   #39

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What is a reasonable test period at home before 'putting all eggs in the same basket', as you say? I've used Windows 7 almost a year and a half now on two computers, about a year when I finally decided to install it on all rigs at home.

At work, the network has a Vista rig, two XP's, a Mandriva Linux and some Sevens. Absolutely no problems to setup and maintain. We have successfully set up computers with Seven to customer's networks using different OS's.

I still fail to understand how I am out of touch with reality.

If you have some problems, it's only your reality. When experienced users don't have problems, I wouldn't call it to be out of touch with reality.
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07 Apr 2010   #40

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
What is a reasonable test period at home before 'putting all eggs in the same basket', as you say? I've used Windows 7 almost a year and a half now on two computers, about a year when I finally decided to install it on all rigs at home.

At work, the network has a Vista rig, two XP's, a Mandriva Linux and some Sevens. Absolutely no problems to setup and maintain. We have successfully set up computers with Seven to customer's networks using different OS's.

I still fail to understand how I am out of touch with reality.

If you have some problems, it's only your reality. When experienced users don't have problems, I wouldn't call it to be out of touch with reality.
Kari,

Don't feel bad. I got slammed earlier. The best idea is just stop helping. We could modify Windows 7 P2P and Homegroup to each other from here to Europe and I don't think it would make a difference. The OP has a bone to pick with Windows 7 or MS and we can't help these folks!
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