Windows 7 Forums

Welcome to Windows 7 Forums. Our forum is dedicated to helping you find support and solutions for any problems regarding your Windows 7 PC be it Dell, HP, Acer, Asus or a custom build. We also provide an extensive Windows 7 tutorial section that covers a wide range of tips and tricks.


Windows 7: U.S. Wants Easier Internet Wiretap measures

27 Sep 2010   #11
fseal

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Since when do governments NOT go mad with power?

It is up to the people to PREVENT thier governments from going mad with power.


My System SpecsSystem Spec
.
27 Sep 2010   #12
marsmimar

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Klaw117 View Post
I'm not too worried about the government going mad though because of the separation of powers in the American government and the practice of judicial review by the U.S. Supreme Court.
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." --- Bill of Rights, 4th Amendment

There is a provision for law enforcement authorities to circumvent the practice of judicial review if they claim exigent circumstances. An exigent circumstance allows law enforcement to enter a property without a warrant, or if they have a "knock and announce" warrant, without knocking and waiting for refusal under certain circumstances. It must be a situation where people are in imminent danger, evidence faces imminent destruction, or a suspect will escape. There is no judicial review until after the fact.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
27 Sep 2010   #13
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by marsmimar View Post
There is a provision for law enforcement authorities to circumvent the practice of judicial review if they claim exigent circumstances. An exigent circumstance allows law enforcement to enter a property without a warrant, or if they have a "knock and announce" warrant, without knocking and waiting for refusal under certain circumstances. It must be a situation where people are in imminent danger, evidence faces imminent destruction, or a suspect will escape. There is no judicial review until after the fact.
Ahhh... the old catch all provision

Now I remember why people feel law enforcement officials abuse their powers. (and criminals get off on technicalities)
My System SpecsSystem Spec
.

28 Sep 2010   #14
bigseb

Windows 7 x64 Professional
 
 

In South Africa this is already implemented.

I vehemently oppose it.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
28 Sep 2010   #15
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi all
Don't go overboard with this stuff -- throw Politics to one side and just consider the Logistics.

The sheer volume of data required would just overwhelm the people who would be carrying out the searches -- and any Court if it came to that would want 100% cast iron guarantee that the data could NOT have been modified in any way since collection -- not so easy to prove in practice especially in Europe where MOD papers have been left in a Brief case on a public subway and lots of similar cases of confidential data "going missing".

Also just think of the people who would be operating this stuff. I can't think of even ONE government department run in ANY COUNTRY where people are efficient and competant.

The sheer beaurocracy of these departments and the time it would take to get what they need would have rendered the data LONG SINCE OBSOLETE by then.

Cheers
jimbo
My System SpecsSystem Spec
03 Oct 2010   #16
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Your correct in your last post marsmimar that is the 4th amendment and I like what it says and believe in it. From my understanding the law enforcement are asking for the same ability on the internet as they had with old wired phone lines. They don't want to monitor everybody just those that are suspected off doing or planing to do this nation and it's people harm. I don't think the N.S.A. could monitor everything even if they had permission from the courts. The Security Agency's of this Nation want to be able to watch the bad guys that use the cyberspace for communications. I don't have a problem with that. Remember right after 911 it was reported in all kinds of news outlets that our agency's had a lot of information that indicated that something was in the workings but weren't allowed to connect the dots. Well folks they want to gather information from the bad guy's and connect the dots.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
03 Oct 2010   #17
arkhi

Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bootz View Post
However, i do not have as big of a problem with this one because even if they do read our messages you are not gonna get in trouble unless you are actually breaking the law. This will make it more difficult for terrorists and criminals alike to communicate descretly.
If I were a terorist, I won't use facebook. Instead, I will communicate differently (i.e. physical contact). Should I need to use the internet, I would develop my own encryption or probably double encrypt my messages using salts and such with many of the widely available encryption algorythms out there.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
04 Oct 2010   #18
bigseb

Windows 7 x64 Professional
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi all
Don't go overboard with this stuff -- throw Politics to one side and just consider the Logistics.

The sheer volume of data required would just overwhelm the people who would be carrying out the searches -- and any Court if it came to that would want 100% cast iron guarantee that the data could NOT have been modified in any way since collection -- not so easy to prove in practice especially in Europe where MOD papers have been left in a Brief case on a public subway and lots of similar cases of confidential data "going missing".

Also just think of the people who would be operating this stuff. I can't think of even ONE government department run in ANY COUNTRY where people are efficient and competant.

The sheer beaurocracy of these departments and the time it would take to get what they need would have rendered the data LONG SINCE OBSOLETE by then.

Cheers
jimbo
Here in SA they record everything (data, cell calls, landline calls, everything) for 5 years. All the information is stored in a database where it can be easily accessed if necessary. This includes pin numbers and passwords (say for internet banking). Fact remains that this info is too easily accessible which is not only a security risk but also an infraction on my private life.

Ultimately to punish everyone for the sake of a few is just plain wrong.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
04 Oct 2010   #19
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Most of us are getting new warnings on various news media about planed attacks. Some governments have gathered enough information about these plans. I would think some of this terrorist planing information was gathered by monitoring there phone, internet, and other means of communications. I here these new warnings about every 30 minutes on the radio today.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
04 Oct 2010   #20
Bootz

Vista Business x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by arkhi View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bootz View Post
However, i do not have as big of a problem with this one because even if they do read our messages you are not gonna get in trouble unless you are actually breaking the law. This will make it more difficult for terrorists and criminals alike to communicate descretly.
If I were a terorist, I won't use facebook. Instead, I will communicate differently (i.e. physical contact). Should I need to use the internet, I would develop my own encryption or probably double encrypt my messages using salts and such with many of the widely available encryption algorythms out there.
The only thing is that after seeing what happend to iran. Who is now asking for international help with their stuxnet nightmare. No encryption is gonna be safe. If you were a terrorist and this were implemented you would have to meet in person or get caught.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Reply

 U.S. Wants Easier Internet Wiretap measures




Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search




Similar help and support threads
Thread Forum
Security measures to take when installing or updating?
I've heard from several people that it is possible to get hacked within minutes of installing Windows, while retrieving updates (this actually happened to someone I know... he was actually "lucky" that the hacker posted a terminal window informing him with a message that read "gotcha"). The...
Installation & Setup
FBI: We need wiretap-ready Web sites -- now
Read More: FBI: We need wiretap-ready Web sites -- now | Security & Privacy - CNET News
News
Is there a gadget that measures cpu heat?
As the topic implies, is there such a gadget. I want to monitor pc temps on the get go.
Gadgets
Are my security measures adequate?
Quick background for me is that im 18, love computer and currently the tech support for my family(close and extended), neighbors, family friends, etc etc. While I dont have the strictest policies I do try to keep my home network along with anyones computer i work on non-infected. Some of my...
System Security


Our Sites

Site Links

About Us

Find Us

Windows 7 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 7" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

© Designer Media Ltd

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 19:26.

Twitter Facebook Google+



Windows 7 Forums

Seven Forums Android App Seven Forums IOS App