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Windows 7 - Windows 7: Linux Killer, Or Windows Killer? |
12-30-2008
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#1 | | Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM) |
Windows 7: Linux Killer, Or Windows Killer? The newest installment of Conventional Computer Wisdom holds that Windows 7 will be "a Linux-killer," unseating Linux on netbooks and sealing its fate on the desktop. Well, maybe XP-killer and Vista-killer is more like it.
The details (as mused over at ComputerWorld.com) go something like this. Linux is taking off most aggressively on netbooks and similar devices. Windows 7 was designed to run well on such machines. Therefore, once Windows 7 is out, Linux market share on those devices (and, by the same token, Linux market share in general) will implode. It sounds fine in theory, but the picture has pieces missing. 1. Netbooks are not the only place where Linux is finding a foothold. Smartphones (hello, Android!), embedded devices, kiosks / corporate desktop setups ... not all of this is as sexy or attention-getting as the desktop, but it's every bit as crucial. 2. The ways in which people are explicitly dependent on Windows is decreasing. While I don't think the Web is going to completely replace desktop applications anytime soon, it's already happened for many people whose needs are relatively undemanding. Each new generation of PC users that comes along starts with a clean slate, and are that much more likely to start with Web-based apps rather than a Microsoft product that requires a Microsoft platform. 3. Microsoft competes most directly with itself. Been said before, but it bears repeating. By and large, when people shirked Vista, it was in favor of XP or holding out for 7 -- not jumping ship entirely for Linux. Forums and blogs (like this one) are peppered with no end of anecdotes from people who shirk Windows in favor of some grade of Linux and never look back, but I don't expect that to become the rule rather than the exception. At least not until, as per No. 2 above, a generation of computer users comes in who have no particular dependence on Microsoft to begin with. We're well on the way, though.
So what'll happen with 7? I see Windows still keeping a majority slice of the desktop pie, with Apple and Linux splitting the difference. The size of that difference is certain to grow, but it's going to continue to be a Windows world for the most part.
That said, I've long been of the opinion that Linux doesn't need to "steal" market share from Microsoft. Not for the sake of its own survival or development, certainly. It does make sense for Linux to stay feature-competitive with Windows in the sense of hardware support, something that's far less of an issue now than it used to be. But Linux will win, and has won, its own audience in its own way. It's never done any less than that. Windows 7: Linux Killer, Or Windows Killer? - Open Source Blog - InformationWeek | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Tx2500z Tablet Pc/Homemade Server OS Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM) CPU Turion X2 ultra (oh well came with laptop)/P4 @3.2 (yes P4) Motherboard IDK HP Motherboard / Intel DG965SS Memory OCZ Dual Channel 4GB kit/ 1gb Dual Channel Graphics Card HD 3200 graphics /GMA x3100 (yay for intergrated!!) Sound Card Realtek HD Audio(mic working, well sort of)/Siig IC-70012 Monitor(s) Displays built-in Hp 12" laptop screen/ Acer 19" Screen Resolution 1280x800 /1440x900 Mouse Logi MX Rev. /MS Wheel Optical 1.1A /Logitech Optical Mouse Cooling All Air Cooled Internet Speed College baby but its still routed through vpn to 1536k... Other Info love my wacom pen and pressure sensitivity...
wished it worked in 7, SUSE for that matter though |
12-30-2008
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#3 | | Windows 7 Build 7100 32-bit, Windows Vista 32-bit |
Every Windows version is a Linux killer to me. I've tried Linux a few times, but it's too much a hassle to install all kinds of libraries and shit through some kind of terminal... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell Vostro 1510 OS Windows 7 Build 7100 32-bit, Windows Vista 32-bit CPU Intel Core Duo T8100 2,1GHz Memory 3GB Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS Screen Resolution 1440x900 Hard Drives 250GB |
12-30-2008
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#4 | | Windows 7 Enterprise x64 SP1 | Windows 8 build 7989 |
Most of the more popular builds now don't require you to go to a terminal to do it - you use an application like Apt-get or synaptics or the RH Package manager.
There are a few builds (mainly for purists) that do require a more hands on approach - I personally prefer a more hands on approach and wish the M$ kernels allowed me to be as hands on as *nix does.... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number The Beast Model V OS Windows 7 Enterprise x64 SP1 | Windows 8 build 7989 CPU Core i7 965 EE @3.6 GHz Motherboard eVGA x58 Classified3 Memory 3 * 4GB Mushkin Enh Redline CL7 DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3-12800) Graphics Card eVGA 560 Ti 448 Core Calssified + eVGA GTX260 SSC (PhysX) Sound Card Realtek HD Audio (onboard) Monitor(s) Displays 2 * Acer X213Wbd Screen Resolution 2 * 1680 x 1050 Keyboard Logitech G15 Keyboard Mouse Logitech MX Revolution '06 PSU ThermalTake BlackWidow TX TR2 850 W Case ThermalTake Level 10 GT (Black) Cooling Corsair H100 CPU | 2 * TT 140mm TriLED | 2 * Antec TriCool Hard Drives 1 * Intel X-25M G2 80 GB SSD Sata II |
2 * Seagate 1 TB 32MB Cache 7200.12 SATA II Internet Speed Cable - 15Mbit down / 5 Mbit up advertised (30 / 6 act.) Other Info Wacom Bamboo Touch |
Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1850 |
Optimus STAV-3400 AV Receiver |
Bose 301 Series III Speakers (Main channel) |
Bose 161 Speakers (Surround) |
Optimus 3 way 100-W speaker (Center) |
Logitech Clearchat PC Wireless Headset
Microsoft LifeCam Studio |
12-31-2008
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#5 | | Windows 7 Build 7100 32-bit, Windows Vista 32-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by johngalt Most of the more popular builds now don't require you to go to a terminal to do it - you use an application like Apt-get or synaptics or the RH Package manager.
There are a few builds (mainly for purists) that do require a more hands on approach - I personally prefer a more hands on approach and wish the M$ kernels allowed me to be as hands on as *nix does.... It's not only those packages... If I download some software from the internet and I want to install that in Ubuntu (for example), most of the times I have to compile the friggin' thing through the terminal. That's what scared me off the first time I used Linux. Now, I finally found out how to do it properly, though, but I can see how Linux still scares people off. It can in no way compete with the usability of Windows for that matter. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell Vostro 1510 OS Windows 7 Build 7100 32-bit, Windows Vista 32-bit CPU Intel Core Duo T8100 2,1GHz Memory 3GB Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS Screen Resolution 1440x900 Hard Drives 250GB |
12-31-2008
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#6 | | Windows 7 Enterprise x64 SP1 | Windows 8 build 7989 |
Ahh, third party apps as opposed to updating. yeah, that can be a bit counter intuitive. Then again, I am an old DOS fiend, so it's right up my alley.... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number The Beast Model V OS Windows 7 Enterprise x64 SP1 | Windows 8 build 7989 CPU Core i7 965 EE @3.6 GHz Motherboard eVGA x58 Classified3 Memory 3 * 4GB Mushkin Enh Redline CL7 DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3-12800) Graphics Card eVGA 560 Ti 448 Core Calssified + eVGA GTX260 SSC (PhysX) Sound Card Realtek HD Audio (onboard) Monitor(s) Displays 2 * Acer X213Wbd Screen Resolution 2 * 1680 x 1050 Keyboard Logitech G15 Keyboard Mouse Logitech MX Revolution '06 PSU ThermalTake BlackWidow TX TR2 850 W Case ThermalTake Level 10 GT (Black) Cooling Corsair H100 CPU | 2 * TT 140mm TriLED | 2 * Antec TriCool Hard Drives 1 * Intel X-25M G2 80 GB SSD Sata II |
2 * Seagate 1 TB 32MB Cache 7200.12 SATA II Internet Speed Cable - 15Mbit down / 5 Mbit up advertised (30 / 6 act.) Other Info Wacom Bamboo Touch |
Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1850 |
Optimus STAV-3400 AV Receiver |
Bose 301 Series III Speakers (Main channel) |
Bose 161 Speakers (Surround) |
Optimus 3 way 100-W speaker (Center) |
Logitech Clearchat PC Wireless Headset
Microsoft LifeCam Studio |
12-31-2008
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#7 | | Windows 7 Build 7100 32-bit, Windows Vista 32-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by johngalt Ahh, third party apps as opposed to updating. yeah, that can be a bit counter intuitive. Then again, I am an old DOS fiend, so it's right up my alley.... I can't see why they haven't made this an automatic process yet. I believe it's the same thing most of the times (untar, configure, make, make install.. something like that  ) | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell Vostro 1510 OS Windows 7 Build 7100 32-bit, Windows Vista 32-bit CPU Intel Core Duo T8100 2,1GHz Memory 3GB Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS Screen Resolution 1440x900 Hard Drives 250GB |
12-31-2008
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#8 | | Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM) |

Quote: Originally Posted by hethoofd I can't see why they haven't made this an automatic process yet. I believe it's the same thing most of the times (untar, configure, make, make install.. something like that  ) if they had a interface close to the install of mac app then i would see a bigger influx....
i want to see a combining of the 2...
for the begginers to have a complete gui install....
for experts such as john i would see that would at least leave the option of completely use the terminal (such as a in some distributions.... and Server core...lol) | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Tx2500z Tablet Pc/Homemade Server OS Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM) CPU Turion X2 ultra (oh well came with laptop)/P4 @3.2 (yes P4) Motherboard IDK HP Motherboard / Intel DG965SS Memory OCZ Dual Channel 4GB kit/ 1gb Dual Channel Graphics Card HD 3200 graphics /GMA x3100 (yay for intergrated!!) Sound Card Realtek HD Audio(mic working, well sort of)/Siig IC-70012 Monitor(s) Displays built-in Hp 12" laptop screen/ Acer 19" Screen Resolution 1280x800 /1440x900 Mouse Logi MX Rev. /MS Wheel Optical 1.1A /Logitech Optical Mouse Cooling All Air Cooled Internet Speed College baby but its still routed through vpn to 1536k... Other Info love my wacom pen and pressure sensitivity...
wished it worked in 7, SUSE for that matter though |
12-31-2008
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#9 | | Windows 7 Enterprise x64 SP1 | Windows 8 build 7989 |
It's getting there, just a bit more slowly - the larger distros have their package systems that automate everything, and most app developers pick one or two main package types to host their files in - .deb. .rpms, etc. For those that are in .tar you can count them as the same as .ZIP files you get for some Windows apps - it is just a couple of more steps as opposed to unzipping and then running the executable to install. The joy of programs written in C. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number The Beast Model V OS Windows 7 Enterprise x64 SP1 | Windows 8 build 7989 CPU Core i7 965 EE @3.6 GHz Motherboard eVGA x58 Classified3 Memory 3 * 4GB Mushkin Enh Redline CL7 DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3-12800) Graphics Card eVGA 560 Ti 448 Core Calssified + eVGA GTX260 SSC (PhysX) Sound Card Realtek HD Audio (onboard) Monitor(s) Displays 2 * Acer X213Wbd Screen Resolution 2 * 1680 x 1050 Keyboard Logitech G15 Keyboard Mouse Logitech MX Revolution '06 PSU ThermalTake BlackWidow TX TR2 850 W Case ThermalTake Level 10 GT (Black) Cooling Corsair H100 CPU | 2 * TT 140mm TriLED | 2 * Antec TriCool Hard Drives 1 * Intel X-25M G2 80 GB SSD Sata II |
2 * Seagate 1 TB 32MB Cache 7200.12 SATA II Internet Speed Cable - 15Mbit down / 5 Mbit up advertised (30 / 6 act.) Other Info Wacom Bamboo Touch |
Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1850 |
Optimus STAV-3400 AV Receiver |
Bose 301 Series III Speakers (Main channel) |
Bose 161 Speakers (Surround) |
Optimus 3 way 100-W speaker (Center) |
Logitech Clearchat PC Wireless Headset
Microsoft LifeCam Studio |
12-31-2008
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I'm an old DOS guy, and have dabbled with linux. I think that MS is headed in the right direction with Windows 7. So far, even in beta, the OS seems to be well produced. My .02 | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS 420 OS Windows 7 RC CPU Intel Q6600 Quad Core Motherboard Dell Proprietary Memory 4 GB DDR 800 Graphics Card Nvidia 8800GT Sound Card Integrated - Sigmatel HD Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dual Dell 22" Wide Screen Screen Resolution 3360x1050 Keyboard Dell USB Mouse Wireless MS mouse PSU Big Enough Case Dell XPS 420 Cooling Air Hard Drives 320 GB internal
2.5 TB external Internet Speed DSL 3MB Down Other Info WEI 5.9 (Windows 7 RC), Not too bad for an off the shelf PC :) All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:06 PM. |  |