| Windows 7: EU to pursue antitrust case, despite Windows 7 E |
12 Jun 2009
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#2 | | Windows 8 Pro Standish, Lancashire, England |
FFS | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number doofenshmirtz evil incorporated OS Windows 8 Pro CPU Intel Core i7-3970X Extreme Edition Motherboard ASRock X79 EXTREME11 Memory 32GB (8x4GB) Corsair DDR3 Dominator Platinum Graphics Card 2x 3GB EVGA GTX 660 Ti Superclocked+ Sound Card Creative Monitor(s) Displays 3 x27" Dell & 2 x 23" Dell Screen Resolution 3 @ 2560x1440 & 2 @ 1920x1080 Keyboard Microsoft Ergononic 7000 Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU 1500W ThermalTake Toughpower Case Thermaltake Level 10 GT Cooling Antec Kúhler H2O 620 CPU Watercooler Hard Drives 240GB Intel 520 Series, 2.5" SSD, SATA III
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#3 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 QC, Canada |
*sigh*
They would stop it only if Windows would become free or software-less. Damn. Just uninstall it damn it if you don't want it.
For myself, I'm keeping them because some website haven't a large horizon. See what I mean? | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom build OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 CPU Core i7 950 3.06 GHz Motherboard Gigabyte X58A-UD3R Memory Corsair XSM3 6GB 1333MHz DDR3 9-9-9-24 Graphics Card Asus nVidia GeForce GTX460 Factory Overclocked Sound Card HT-Omega Claro 7.1 Monitor(s) Displays Asus VW246H 24" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech K350 Mouse Logitech M510 PSU Xigmatek NRP-PC702 700W (cable hell) Case Lian-Li Lancool PC-K62 Cooling Stock fans for PC case, Cooler Master Hyper N520 for CPU Hard Drives 1x90GB OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (System, internal)
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12 Jun 2009
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#4 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 Doncaster, UK |
If that is the case, then MS might as well ditch their plans for unbundling IE from Windows 7 and include it anyway. I really don't see what all the fuss is about from the EU - as I have stated here Windows 7 to be shipped in Europe sans IE. IE may well be included in the OS, but you are under no obligation to use it. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dwarf Dwf/11/2012 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 CPU Intel Core-i5-3570K 4-core @ 3.4GHz (Ivy Bridge) (OC 4.2GHz) Motherboard ASRock Z77 Extreme4-M Memory 4 x 4GB DDR3-1600 Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B (16GB) Graphics Card 2 x AMD Radeon HD7770 1GB CrossFired (OC 1100MHz/1250MHz) Sound Card Realtek High Definition on board solution (ALC 898) Monitor(s) Displays ViewSonic VA1912w Widescreen (VGA) Screen Resolution 1440x900 Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 3000 (USB) Mouse Microsoft Comfort Mouse 3000 for Business (USB) PSU XFX Pro Series 850W Semi-Modular Case Gigabyte IF233 Cooling 1 x 120mm Front Inlet 1 x 120mm Rear Exhaust Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 SSD 120GB SATA III x2 (RAID 0)
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12 Jun 2009
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That's one way for Opera to win users 
Quote: Originally Posted by Dwarf . IE may well be included in the OS, but you are under no obligation to use it. Unfortunately this sort of law is to 'protect' the mums and dads users who don't even realise there is a viable alternative to Internet explorer. (never mind protecting marketshare for rival companies)
Hell, some of these folks think 'Windows" is the internet.... | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number SmartEyeball Custom Systems OS 8 Pro x64 CPU i7 3770K 4.6GHz Motherboard ASUS P8Z77 WS (great board good slot placement) Memory 16GB G.Skill Trident X 2400mhz Graphics Card 2x Gigabyte GTX 670 OC WindForce SLI Sound Card X-FI Forte 7.1 + ATH-AD900 Headphones Monitor(s) Displays x3 Dell U2410 / 58" Samsung / "40 Sony Screen Resolution 1920*1200 / 1920*1080 Keyboard Topre Realforce // Ducky Shine MX Black // Filco Ninja TKL Mouse Razer Imperator + Thermaltake Theron PSU Corsair AX1200W Case Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition Cooling Noctua NH-D14 Hard Drives 2x Intel 520 240GB (RAID 0) * 2x WD Caviar Blacks 2TB (RAID 0) * 2TB WD Caviar Black Antivirus MSE Browser Opera, Chrome, FF Other Info GT Extreme V2 Sim Racing Cockpit + 40" LCD and K/B Mouse stand ▼
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12 Jun 2009
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#6 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Essex, UK |
FFS This is making me really angry now
How could the EU possibly think this is a sustainable case. The whole argument has been driven to date by Operas gripe that MS gave IE an unfair advantage by including it in Windows distributions.
So, MS propose exactly that and it's still not good enough for Opera. Instead their true colours are revealed, and what they are really wanting is a free distribution of their software within one of their competitors products.
Can anyone name a single case where a regulator has forced such a wrong-headed resolution on any commercial concern before?!
I think this is going to backfire big time on the EU as it smacks of them giving a particular commercial concern (i.e. Opera) a leg up. Opera certainly aren't doing themselves any favours by seemingly promoting legislation against a competitor to try and obtain a commercial advantage for themselves.
As Firefox has shown, you can grow a market share without resorting to underhand legislative tactics. Opera should give standing on their own two feet a go.
Opera shouldn't be expending effort on this - why don't they just stick to what they do have a USP in - browsers for mobile devices. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS400 (Upgraded) OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Pentium D 945 Motherboard Dell DXP051 Memory 4GB 667MHz DDR2 Graphics Card NVidia 8800GT Sound Card Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS Monitor(s) Displays 1680 x 1050 Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 PSU Stock Dell Case Stock Dell XPS400 Cooling Stock Dell XPS400 Hard Drives 1 x Intel MX-25 G2 SSD, 1 x 7200RPM Western Digital Internet Speed 13.4Mbps Throughput / 15.3Mbps Synch |
12 Jun 2009
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#7 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9 In the Crust |
Hey all.
What does FFS stand for....?
I know EU though.
My opinion on this...............
Its tough. Its not really fair to force something like this on an OS, especially because it IS a competitor (even if Opera isn't used by many. Perhaps they are doing this to boost their usage?)
How I think it should happen:
On OEM copies (as in you buy the OS from a store, not pre-installed) they should give an option to install the browser of your choice. This list would include FF, IE, Chrome, Opera, Safari, etc. Make them check boxes so you can install multiple ones. Also perhaps include a preview of what the browser looks like as well.
Even with this, I bet most people would still choose IE simply because it is the only one they know. Hell, M$ could even set it as a default install if they want, as long as the option is there.
On copies that are pre-installed on a PB computer (ew....) there could be the option on first start-up (with the setup files already on the computer I guess. The only thing with this is that the install files for all of the browsers will still be on there....) to select which browser you would like. Same type of menu, with a preview and everything.
Perhaps it will work, perhaps not. It doesn't bother me, because I just install FF first thing anyways.
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12 Jun 2009
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#8 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 Newport, South Wales, UK |
From the horses mouth - official Microsoft Statement Working to Fulfill our Legal Obligations in Europe for Windows 7 - Microsoft On The Issues Quote: UPDATE: June 11, 2009 – 5:30 p.m. Pacific
Posted by Dave Heiner Vice President and Deputy General Counsel
Earlier today CNET reported that Microsoft had sent a memo to computer manufacturers and retailers about our plans for Windows 7 in Europe. We’re getting quite a few calls on this, so we thought it would be helpful to explain our plans.
First, a little context. For the past three years Microsoft has been working to develop the next version of our Windows operating system, Windows 7. We’ve taken feedback from literally millions of beta customers to ensure that Windows 7 delivers the power, simplicity and ease-of-use that customers want. We’ve also worked hard to ensure that Windows 7 will promote choice and competition in the computer industry, in keeping with our Windows Principles. We’ve held hands-on workshops with hundreds of industry partners to ensure they have the information they need to build products that work well with Windows 7. Customers running Windows 7 will be able to choose compatible products from among literally thousands of computer manufacturers, peripheral manufacturers, and software vendors.
The worldwide launch of Windows 7 is fast approaching, but a pending legal case raises concerns about the sufficiency of competition among the Web browsers that are available to Windows users in Europe. In January the European Commission provided its preliminary view that Microsoft’s “bundling” of Internet Explorer in Windows violated European competition law. This update contains a history of Microsoft's fun and games with anti-trust | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Real World Computing (Me + a little help from Acer) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1035T 2.6 GHz Motherboard Aspire M3400 Memory 4Gb PC10600 DDR3 1333 MHz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 315 512MB Sound Card OnBoard - Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Philips 32" HDTV, (HDMI) + 26" TV (VGA) Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 @60Hz + 1360 x 768 @60Hz Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) Mouse Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) PSU Stock (400W) Case Acer M3400 Cooling Stock Hard Drives 500 GB Seagate ST3500418AS SATA II
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12 Jun 2009
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#9 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9 In the Crust |
Quote: In late 2007 a European browser vendor filed a complaint with the Commission arguing that the reasoning of the WMP case should be applied to Web browsing software as well. We disagreed, but concluded that the most prudent course was to try to address any concerns before releasing Windows 7. Therefore, in September 2008, we told computer manufacturers that we would offer Windows 7 in Europe in two versions, following the approach of the Commission’s 2004 decision: one version with all features included and another version without certain programs (Internet Explorer 8 and WMP). Computer manufacturers could choose either version.
In January 2009 the Commission sent Microsoft a “Statement of Objections.” In it the Commission advised Microsoft of its preliminary view that the inclusion of Web browsing software in Windows violates European competition law. The Commission said in this document that it intends to impose a fine for this. The Commission also said that, with hindsight, the remedy adopted in its 2004 decision was not effective because there was very limited consumer demand for the versions of Windows without media player. We were, of course, disappointed to learn that the approach we took in September 2008 would not adequately address the Commission’s concerns. So basically, all M$ is doing is offering the COMPUTER MANUFACTURERS the option of buying the pre-installed Browser (and WMP) or having to ADD THEIR OWN. That means that most companies will just buy the pre-installed version so they do not have to spend all that extra time installing their own.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 Hey all.
What does FFS stand for....? Frightened Friars Sing
Fat Families Snuggle
Forgotten Fingers Society
Feeling Flippant Sir
Fap Fap Sore
For F**ks Sake
Farmers Fancy Sows
Fighting Fraudulent Suits
Fat Franks Shadow
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