Windows 7 Forums

Welcome to Windows 7 Forums. Our forum is dedicated to helping you find support and solutions for any problems regarding your Windows 7 PC be it Dell, HP, Acer, Asus or a custom build. We also provide an extensive Windows 7 tutorial section that covers a wide range of tips and tricks.


Windows 7: 25nm NAND Transition Causing Problems for OCZ Vertex 2 E SSDs

10 Feb 2011   #1
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 
25nm NAND Transition Causing Problems for OCZ Vertex 2 E SSDs

Looks like the 25nm SSDs are having some pretty serious issues.

Quote:
The move to 25nm NAND flash has been touted by every manufacturer in the industry as one of the greatest improvements brought to solid state disks design since their introduction, but, as OCZ has found out, not everything is as advertised, as after the transition to 25nm, the company has started receiving numerous complains regarding some of their SSDs.

The main issues that users witnessed had to do with missing storage space and decreased performance when compared to their 34nm counterparts.

More specifically, Vertex 2 E 120GB drives that are built using 25nm Flash provide only 115GB of storage space to their users and are slower in some benchmarks than the previous version of the drive.

The change in storage capacity is not advertised in any way on the product's box or on OCZ's website, so this caused an outrage in OCZ's forums, leading many to complain about their recently purchased SSDs.

To make matters worse some users also noticed a drop in performance, especially when sequential writes are involved.

According to an official response posted by OCZ, the cause of those issues is the way the SandForce controller used inside the Vertex 2 drive works, and the decreased durability of 25nm flash.

Compared to the 5000 writes/empties cycles supported by 34nm flash, 25nm NAND can only withstand 3000 writes/empties, leading the DuraCell technology in the SandForce controller to increase the space allocated to over-provisioning in order to maintain the drive's reliability.

“The capacity change you are seeing on drives under 180GB is due to RAISE, we are not falsely advertising the drives, the overall capacity of the NAND has remained the same; RAISE capacity has changed though which does result in a slight increase of OP,” reads one response from an OCZ official.

Lately, availability of 34nm NAND has been scarce as the industry is moving towards the less expensive 25nm technology.

As a result, a wide series of SSDs based on the SandForce controller are expected to be affected by the same issues as those encountered by OCZ's drives as 34nm NAND stocks are depleted. (via Nordic Hardware)
Source...

Information from the OCZ forum: Drives Shipping With 25nm NAND. Q & A


My System SpecsSystem Spec
.
10 Feb 2011   #2
fseal

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Not good news and Intel are also experienceing those issues with their products in development (none released yet). Doesn't look like SSDs are going to get much cheaper in the near future. And they are on the edge of reliability now, I wouldn't want them to be any LESS reliable than "Barely"

The response from OCZ on the space loss is compeltely bogus. People don't care how much space is reserved behind the scenes, when they buy a 120 gig drive they want 120 gig of usable storage, if that means the drive needs to be 140 gig /technically/ to provide 120 gig of storage then so be it. Or of that means the usable space is 100 gig then that is the PROPER advertised "size". That justification he gave is just plain wrong.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
10 Feb 2011   #3
Fayla

Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit SP1
 
 

I had one SSD break down within its 6/12 month warranty period. The supplier stumped the replacement cost, the next SSD they put in lasted only about 28 days. After that I gave up and got an ordinary drive instead.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fseal View Post
Not good news and Intel are also experienceing those issues with their products in development (none released yet). Doesn't look like SSDs are going to get much cheaper in the near future. And they are on the edge of reliability now, I wouldn't want them to be any LESS reliable than "Barely"
My System SpecsSystem Spec
.

Reply

 25nm NAND Transition Causing Problems for OCZ Vertex 2 E SSDs




Thread Tools




Similar help and support threads
Thread Forum
Intel & Micron Announce First 20nm MLC NAND Flash for Use in SSDs
NAND flash is getting smaller, again. Should be out by the end of the year. Source...
News
How SSDs and new controllers work, new OCZ Vertex 3 Pro review
There are a lot of details and explanations on SSDs and controllers in this article. Lots of information, if your interested. How the controllers work and an explanation on the new 25nm nand limitations. Of coarse, review of the new Vertex 3 Pro and new SF-2500 controller. OCZ Vertex 3 Pro...
News
Micron's RealSSD C400 uses 25nm NAND at $1.61/GB, Offers 415MB/s Reads
More...
News
NAND Prices to Fall Late in 2010 Paving Way for Cheaper SSDs
Source...
News
Intel Readies 25 nm NAND-based X25-M and X25-V SSDs for Q4 2010
Source...
News
Intel Preps Screaming-Fast 25nm SSDs
Intel Preps Screaming-Fast 25nm SSDs Read more at source: Intel Preps Screaming-Fast 25nm SSDs | Maximum PC
Hardware & Devices


Our Sites

Site Links

About Us

Find Us

Windows 7 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 7" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

Designer Media Ltd

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 17:49.

Twitter Facebook Google+



Windows 7 Forums

Seven Forums Android App Seven Forums IOS App