Ribbon Explorer

jp07764 · Apr 4, 2011

If they are goig to add a ribbion people will hate
they should call it Vista2.
It will be just as popular.

Jimmy

whs · Apr 4, 2011

I think the ribbon is one of the best things they ever invented. Today you can go to Word, Excel, PowerPoint, WLMM, Wordpad, Paint, etc - and you are never alienated. Yes the buttons and icons are different depending on what the functions of the program are. But all the basic things are the same or similar. I love it.

Lebon14 · Apr 4, 2011

Also, the office ribbon would be desactivated in Win8...

Look :

And some other images :

Personnaly, I love the ribbon they are gonna introduce with Windows 8. It feels likes they gonna complete the circle.

Tepid · Apr 4, 2011

Fore more Touchscreen Friendly over all than what is available right now.

Remember,, they are headed for the Cloud.

Just Think about it,,,,another step closer to having a full use touchscreen system you can incorporate into anything in your house,to do anything you need.

Future Home............

Too bad there are those in this country who demand our lifes savings be sucked dry by high bills and vampire's.

Stormkitty · Apr 5, 2011

I don't want a "cloud" OS, whatever the hell that even means. I want an Operating System that's entirely offline based, because I don't want to depend on some faceless corporation's server for my OS to operate properly. If Windows 8 is going to have this horrible ribbon interface, I guess I'll be passing on Windows 8 then, or at least until a 3rd party tool is released that makes it go away.

Imperfect1 · Apr 5, 2011

Stormkitty said:
I don't want a "cloud" OS, whatever the hell that even means. I want an Operating System that's entirely offline based, because I don't want to depend on some faceless corporation's server for my OS to operate properly.

I totally agree with you Stormkitty. I have a lot of confidential information on my system that I want and need to have 100% control over. There is no way I would allow this information to be floating around in cyberspace and available to any tekkie with the capability to hack into it.

Arc · Apr 5, 2011

Stop ribbons :mad2:

DeaconFrost · Apr 5, 2011

My users are very non-tech savy, and it took them a while to adjust from Office 2003 to 2007, but they've all realized how much more efficient a ribbon is. I say it all the time in the General section, and I'll say it here as well. Don't confuse the need for a learning period with a sign of a bad product. No one returns a car because they have an adjustment period to the new controls.

Mike Connor · Apr 5, 2011

DeaconFrost said:
My users are very non-tech savy, and it took them a while to adjust from Office 2003 to 2007, but they've all realized how much more efficient a ribbon is. I say it all the time in the General section, and I'll say it here as well. Don't confuse the need for a learning period with a sign of a bad product. No one returns a car because they have an adjustment period to the new controls.

The point is, that many users do not like being forced to endure a learning phase before they can use software they have otherwise been using quite happily for years. I agree with them. Software should do what the user wants and how he wants to do it, not force him to do it some other way.

Many users simply do not have the time to learn things like this. It may just increase their productivity when they do learn it, ( although I rather doubt that), but it is initially confusing and contra-productive.

That is why there are so many alternatives.

I am always rather amused that people expect Microsoft to help them in some way. Microsoft exists for one single purpose, to make money, and they are very good at that.

Regards....Mike Connor

whs · Apr 5, 2011

Many users simply do not have the time to learn things like this

What time are we talking about. Learning the ribbon of a product takes 1 or 2 hours. And then you have a good base to deal with the ribbon of another product - e.g. going from Word to PowerPoint or WLMM. If it takes more that that, I would say they do not have the brains to learn it. But then they should stay away from computers.

severedsolo · Apr 5, 2011

You know, after my little spit and bile rant yesterday, I've been thinking about it.

This is just going to be like everytime Microsoft change the UI, You'll whinge and moan about it for the first couple of days, and switch it off. Then you'll force yourself to use it for a day, and suddenly you won't know how you did without it.

DeaconFrost · Apr 5, 2011

I have to agree. Again, going back to my non-tech-savy users. When they quit complaining, and just started using the products, they realized how easy the ribbon was, and how all the options are visible on screen, rather than buried in menus and submenus. Once they decided to give it a try, they were off and running in no time. No productivity was lost.

whs · Apr 5, 2011

DeaconFrost said:
I have to agree. Again, going back to my non-tech-savy users. When they quit complaining, and just started using the products, they realized how easy the ribbon was, and how all the options are visible on screen, rather than buried in menus and submenus. Once they decided to give it a try, they were off and running in no time. No productivity was lost.

That's why a developer should not listen to the "average user" but just implement what he thinks is right. If they went by the average user, we would still live in the stone age - because people hate change, even if it is for the better.

Mike Connor · Apr 5, 2011

whs said:
Many users simply do not have the time to learn things like this

Click to expand...

What time are we talking about. Learning the ribbon of a product takes 1 or 2 hours. And then you have a good base to deal with the ribbon of another product - e.g. going from Word to PowerPoint or WLMM. If it takes more that that, I would say they do not have the brains to learn it. But then they should stay away from computers.

Well, if everybody knew how to setup and operate their machines and software, we would be superfluous.........

Regards....Mike Connor

Vertex · Apr 5, 2011

The ribbon was one of the best UI designs from MS when it comes to the new MS Paint, Wordpad, Office 2007 and 2010 and I love it BUT when it comes to Windows Explorer, managing files and folders, its a different thing and I don't want it to look like Office because I like the current design because that's what I got used to and many would agree.

I'd say they better stick with the current UI design of Windows Explorer or at least tweak it a little bit but not with the ribbon interface. They should not enforce the ribbon UI because we already know that a lot of people don't like it so just stick to a design which most of us like at this point. Yes, it can be learned but say that a lot of people would still be so frustrated with this and will do minimal effort to learn and they would have a negative feedback. Come on, remember Vista wasn't a bad OS when you learn how to tweak it but with a lot of new things enabled by default, a lot of people thought it was rubbish all along and it got a lot of negative feedback thus ruining its reputation.

whs · Apr 5, 2011

I like the current design because that's what I got used to

That is the killer argument for any progress.

Win7User512 · Apr 5, 2011

severedsolo said:
You know, after my little spit and bile rant yesterday, I've been thinking about it.

This is just going to be like everytime Microsoft change the UI, You'll whinge and moan about it for the first couple of days, and switch it off. Then you'll force yourself to use it for a day, and suddenly you won't know how you did without it.

That is how I've been looking at it. Instead of jumping to my own conclusions I took a step back to consider the change.

If this is indeed real and it comes to pass, it may be something that I won't be crazy about at first, but after using it will come to master and not be bothered.

My main concern is it takes up quite a bit of the window. I often have lots of files and folders in a window and that will be obtrusive when looking for files. Maybe they can cut it down a bit.

fseal · Apr 5, 2011

As long as it's hidable when you don't want it (and it looks like it is) then it shouldn't be a negative issue for anyone and in fact a positive issue for a lot.

You /can/ see why they did it though. There is WAY too much stuff that is needed daily hidden under the context menu for the general populous. And some actions are downright hostle like "New Folder" only showing up if you right click on "Empty Space" which sometimes can be non existant, which is why it was added to the current command bar in the W7 explorer GUI, but there are far too many options for that bar in it's current form.

So it completely makes sense to use the ribbon UI. In fact if the ribbon can easily and quickly be turned on and off with a single mouse click it'll actually take up LESS space during "normal" use that the current explorer wastes now...

I would only have a problem with it if it was unhidable (like the current command bar in the W7 explorer... grrr.)

Mike Connor · Apr 5, 2011

Win7User512 said:
My main concern is it takes up quite a bit of the window. I often have lots of files and folders in a window and that will be obtrusive when looking for files. Maybe they can cut it down a bit.

Indeed, that is my main reason for disliking various ribbons.

Regards....Mike Connor

Mike Connor · Apr 5, 2011

fseal said:
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I would only have a problem with it if it was unhidable (like the current command bar in the W7 explorer... grrr.)

You can set that to autohide if you want;

How to Auto-Hide or Disable Command Bar (aka Folder Band) in Windows Vista and 7 Explorer? - Tweaking with Vishal

( Works on 7 x64 )

But in the meantime I have simply added the common functions to it, and removed them elsewhere. Takes a little getting used to, but does not waste so much screen space.
Regards....Mike Connor

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