Outside of that section with the folder names above "Move to folder," what is wrong with it?

Win7User512 said:

Outside of that section with the folder names above "Move to folder," what is wrong with it?

There is nothing wrong with it per se, but a massive number of users wont accept it. There are already very large numbers of users who wont use various products with ribbon menus. I know quite a few.

Various arguments that users must "move on" or "learn new things", simply wont wash. Software should do what a user wants and not what some firm, or indeed anybody else, thinks he should be doing.

If Ford made a car that only drove backwards at thirty miles an hour, and with completely different controls to the one you have, which you were unable to get used to, but designed and (almost) guaranteed to be completely accident free, would you buy it?

Regards....Mike Connor

Mike Connor said:

Win7User512 said:

Outside of that section with the folder names above "Move to folder," what is wrong with it?

There is nothing wrong with it per se, but a massive number of users wont accept it. There are already very large numbers of users who wont use various products with ribbon menus. I know quite a few.

Various arguments that users must "move on" or "learn new things", simply wont wash. Software should do what a user wants and not what some firm, or indeed anybody else, thinks he should be doing.

If Ford made a car that only drove backwards at thirty miles an hour, and with completely different controls to the one you have, which you were unable to get used to, but designed and (almost) guaranteed to be completely accident free, would you buy it?

Regards....Mike Connor

I don't have an opinion about it at this point.

I was merely asking for more details about yours, since they were scarce to begin with. That's all.

Mike Connor said:

...Software should do what a user wants and not what some firm, or indeed anybody else, thinks he should be doing....

There are millions upon millions of users of Windows, doing everything, every single user wants is impossible. Catering to the larger user base is what any firm will do. Lets face it the larger user base like the Ribbon.

But really until we have a product to look at, it is all speculation.

They better at least get some better icons cause the orange cirlces = ugly.

As for the ribbon itself, I really hope theres an option to disable it by default because I wont want to download 3rd party that I know will come out to get the old style back.

Win7User512 said:

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I don't have an opinion about it at this point.

I was merely asking for more details about yours, since they were scarce to begin with. That's all.

Well, I only have scarce details on the matter itself. My opinion on ribbon menus is that I don't like them, and I don't like the trouble they cause me when some user complains and demands I get the "rubbish" removed and his system working how he wants it to again.

I also don't see the point in Microsoft annoying large portions of its user base by adding "functionality" that only annoys and confuses them.

Otherwise I'm more or less neutral........... :)

Regards....Mike Connor

Mike Connor said:

Win7User512 said:

Outside of that section with the folder names above "Move to folder," what is wrong with it?

There is nothing wrong with it per se, but a massive number of users wont accept it. There are already very large numbers of users who wont use various products with ribbon menus. I know quite a few.

Indeed I am one of them. Do Not Want. I really do not see what developers have against "File Edit" etc, that they feel the need to hide them away. Are they really that offensive? I find their presence to be reassuring, I know where everything is, and I don't have to learn a complete new UI on a developers whim.

Even Firefox, who for years had my business for the major reason that they used an Old School GUI, with Firefox 4 have succumbed to pressure and hidden those nasty offensive little words away. At least it can be turned off though. (Yes I know it can probably be turned off in other apps too, but frankly I would rather not have to)

Having said all that, in the interests of fairness, I should say that the name "Ribbon" conjures up for me images of the horrible Office (2000? I think it was) interface, when the ribbon was new, and was a complete and utter mess when your used to doing it the old way. Wheras the Ribbon in the screenshots provided, don't look that bad. It seems to me that they have just moved the sidebar up top. It's not really "cutting into screen real estate" as it is redistributing it.

I shall reserve judgement for now, it may not even happen, but I wish they picked another name for it. the word "Ribbon" still gives me nightmares