HP Chooses USB 3.0 Over Thunderbolt

Whats that old saying. "build it and they will come".
All new technology had to start somewhere and the ones that have the potential for upgrades will survive in the long run. Thunderbolt (copper version of Light Peak) has just started to appear and has vast possibilities. As was stated Light Peak using fiber can scale to 100Gbs and over longer distances then the copper Thunderbolt. Thunderbold at present can run PCIe 2.0 and Display Port protocols but can be implemented to run USB and other protocols so with the right implementation most current peripherals can run over a Light Peak circuit thought a small hub type interface. The design is very adaptable and the speed is awesome which I believe will make it a success, but time will tell. I give it a Thumbs Up.

Jim

Agree, it's time for some new fast peripheral interfaces.

Hope this kicks off by the end of the year or something better comes out.

Win7User512 said:

Hewlett-Packard considered using Intel's Thunderbolt interconnect in new desktop PCs announced Monday, but is sticking with USB 3.0 because of wider support, a company official said.

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I think Intel has an uphill battle with this. No devices on the market support their technology and few, if any, in the foreseeable future.

USB has been a go-to interface between devices. It's like Windows on PCs.

Here is a quote from that article.


Thunderbolt currently supports the PCI Express and DisplayPort protocols, which helps reduce the number of connectors needed to attach peripherals to computers. Intel insists Thunderbolt and USB 3.0 are complementary technologies, and has said it will build chip sets with support for both USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt starting next year.
Intel plans to open up Thunderbolt development this quarter, and is also working with partners to develop products as it tries to build out an ecosystem around the interconnect. LaCie and Western Digital have demonstrated portable storage products, but are not yet selling devices. Companies such as Canon, AJA, BlackMagic, Matrox and Sonnet have announced support for Thunderbolt.


Looks like lots of support coming soon.

Jim

Phone Man said:

Win7User512 said:

Hewlett-Packard considered using Intel's Thunderbolt interconnect in new desktop PCs announced Monday, but is sticking with USB 3.0 because of wider support, a company official said.

Details...

I think Intel has an uphill battle with this. No devices on the market support their technology and few, if any, in the foreseeable future.

USB has been a go-to interface between devices. It's like Windows on PCs.

Here is a quote from that article.


Thunderbolt currently supports the PCI Express and DisplayPort protocols, which helps reduce the number of connectors needed to attach peripherals to computers. Intel insists Thunderbolt and USB 3.0 are complementary technologies, and has said it will build chip sets with support for both USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt starting next year.
Intel plans to open up Thunderbolt development this quarter, and is also working with partners to develop products as it tries to build out an ecosystem around the interconnect. LaCie and Western Digital have demonstrated portable storage products, but are not yet selling devices. Companies such as Canon, AJA, BlackMagic, Matrox and Sonnet have announced support for Thunderbolt.


Looks like lots of support coming soon.

Jim

I still believe Intel will try to have Thunderbolt "win" vs USB 3.0, despite their nicey-nice "complimentary" technology phrases. They aren't in the position yet to be the "aggressor".

Anyone heard of those companies other than Canon, WD, and maybe BlackMagic?

It's like the lopsided Playstation vs Nintendo 64, or PS2 vs Gamecube battles. Just because you get a lot of little known companies to help doesn't mean you'll win.

My point is it will take a lot of time for this technology to take the place of USB. Hence, my "uphill battle" remark.

I agree it will take a while to replace USB, which may never happen, but I see newer motherboards offering Thundabolt as an additional port along with USB, ESATA and probably Firewire. Most motherboards still offer Firewire ports which is getting old. At least now Thundabolt is off the drawing board and is being implemented. The great thing about Light Peak is it can be implemented to run these other protocols, as it is basically a transport medium.

Jim

Phone Man said:

I agree it will take a while to replace USB, which may never happen, but I see newer motherboards offering Thundabolt as an additional port along with USB, ESATA and probably Firewire. Most motherboards still offer Firewire ports which is getting old. At least now Thundabolt is off the drawing board and is being implemented. The great thing about Light Peak is it can be implemented to run these other protocols, as it is basically a transport medium.

Jim

Yeah, I chose my current motherboard with Firewire as an important factor. My MiniDV camcorder uses it. I see dwindling numbers of devices using it. It's manly hard drives, flash media, etc now. I think Firewire is on the way out.

Win7User512 said:

Phone Man said:

I agree it will take a while to replace USB, which may never happen, but I see newer motherboards offering Thundabolt as an additional port along with USB, ESATA and probably Firewire. Most motherboards still offer Firewire ports which is getting old. At least now Thundabolt is off the drawing board and is being implemented. The great thing about Light Peak is it can be implemented to run these other protocols, as it is basically a transport medium.

Jim

Yeah, I chose my current motherboard with Firewire as an important factor. My MiniDV camcorder uses it. I see dwindling numbers of devices using it. It's manly hard drives, flash media, etc now. I think Firewire is on the way out.

I think the problem with Firewire is it never became cheap enough for Joe Shmo $60 Wal-mart video cam. If Intel can get a ton of people to create items for Thunderbolt and get the price of the items at Joe Shmo gotta buy level then they will have a winner on their hands, but Im afraid its going to be an item for us techies for awhile.

USB isn't going anywhere for a long time. It is too ingrained, and its backwards compatible.
Hell, it works GREAT for keyboards and mice.

However, a faster transferring port is always a good thing, assuming that it can be made as widespread as USB. Proprietary crap sucks, no matter how "awesome" it might be.

~Lordbob

Dave76 said:

Let's stick with the tried and true:

32-bit 25-MHz microprocessor
Monochrome Display Adapter
5¼ floppy disk drive
10 MB hard disk with access time of 0.1 second
64 kB RAM
And for a great price US $3,005 (1981)

Who needs all this new fangled tech stuff

And someone once said, "I don't know how anyone could use more than one megabyte", referrinf to storage capacity.